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No, you didnt tell me anything dimwit.

I reiterated what you said in order to give the whole account.
Main part being that Apple was in AGREEMENT with Microsoft.
So how can you STEAL something when its GIVEN it to you???

No one denied they brought the first PC to the masses. But who did it first doesnt matter, and since you’re an Apple fan you HAVE to agree with that or else you go against everything Apple stands for.

So as I said before. Microsoft didn’t steal diddlysquat. Apple handed it to them. Windows handled it better by making it TRULY available to the masses and made a fortune. Apple was high, failed, then came back as the current incarnation with the brilliant mind of Steve Jobs taking the helm.

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I just said that xerox was the first to use and invented the modern day GUI. Did you not get that? Oh let me see, or comprehend.

I said that Apple “stole’ the modern day GUI from xerox. Said it plain as day. It seems my history lessson for you paid off.

In your original post your didn’t have a clue. I clued you in. Isn’t a ‘thanks’ in order?

But the fact of the matter is that Apple did bring the modern day PC to the masses. Microsoft “stole’ their technology and ideas and implemented them for themselves.

That is a fact. Apple created the iphone. Yes they used others ideas, but were the “first’ again to implement it to the masses. Again Microsoft is “stealing’ their technology.

Do you comprehend my uneducated friend?

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Realize…They HAVE to use a flash memory because capacitive screens do not function properly with a spinning disk (HDD) underneath it. You want bigger size…get an iPod/Zune 80+

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Priceless…LMAO

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There’s an app for that

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But that doesn’t stop me from recognizing that Apple has the TOP GUI for a OS in OS X (PC, not mobile). And they do know how to market the hell out of a product. Hence why iPod is synonymous with PMPs now.

But where they succeed, they also fail too.

Everyone wants to pick on MS because they take things and do it “subjectively” better.

These are businesses…not the Boy Scouts. In the end it all boils down to who can take an idea and sell it the best. It’s no longer about which product is “better”.

Windows is just a bigger juggernaut at everything but PMP market (which I doubt Ballmer is all too worried about when they are making money in practically every other sector)

Does that make them better? Not by a longshot.

I prefer OS X over Windows…but will I ever get it…no. Not until they are near equal market share. I like the OS I’m using to be a “default” thought so to say.

But with web apps becoming the “next big thing” and there not being any barrier between things…I might switch.

But then it still boils down to I like choice of hardware. As I’ve stated numerous times through here, LOL. I’m not a fan of American hardware. Every hardware (beyond my bluetooth) is Japanese, Taiwanese, or Korean (PS3, HTC, and Asus)

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You are correct on all points. There isn’t a company out there who hasn’t “borrowed” ideas from another one. It’s all about personal preference nowadays.

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Righty-O

But even beyond that. Software and more was not made from Apple. It was made from outside companies that Apple paid. So when people try and talk like Apple is the “mother of all things innovative” it makes me laugh.

They’re just as bad as Microsoft…and the reason that is

-gasp-

they’re a business!

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And that someone else who came up with the iPod is none other than John Rubenstein, who if I remember is now CEO over at Palm. Oh the irony.

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Apple actually did have a gaming system back in the days. Co-developed with Bandai.

Seeing as not too many knows of this…I’m sure you know how much of a success this was.

I personally would not like to see Apple do that. Because you’d have the idiots coming out yelling “Oh yeah…Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony are just copying off Apple. Yeh…Apple invented the controller” =|

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Thanks for the “lesson” but trust me, you need it more than I do. Such as reading comprehension.

My statement was not into “whose is better”
It was in reference to someone stating Apple is “dominating.” Dominating refers to control of a sector; market if you will.

And when Apple was “dominating” Windows was barely even started. I know the history of Apple and Microsoft very well. You might also want to add this to your “lesson”

Apple received the “vision” of their first UI from Xerox…yes, Xerox. From there…they signed an AGREEMENT with Mr. Gates and company to use the same UI within the Windows incarnation. Apple wasn’t smart enough to limit use of said UI to that one and only Windows, so it carried. From then on…it was history. Mr. Gates even tried to help Apple by wanting to make the OS widespread…but Apple turned them down. And look where that got them. It was only due to MS “donation” and Apple’s board getting their brains back and bringing Jobs back on board (which he is a BRILLIANT man if I may say so myself) that brought Apple to the spot they are now.

So yeah…your lesson was a little bit “biased”. Making it seem like Apple innovated everything from their minds only. Give me a break.

As Oscar Wilde said…
“Talent Borrows, Genius Steals”

Even the iPod wasn’t a “Jobs only” idea. It actually came from the mind of someone else.

So end the “Microsoft are unoriginal” bit. In the world of business…it’s normal to “borrow and steal” Everyone is guilty of it in this day and age. Get over it.

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Come one man, for real? Did you not think about that before writing it? What do you think iPod and iPhone are? Or are you actually disillusioned into believing Apple must have invented the MP3 player and cellular phone… no, no… I know what Apple fanboys say: Apple invented the TOUCH SCREEN phone. Suuuure.
Heck, you got a fellow fanboy a few posts up who even brags that the Zune HD is in September and gives Apple plenty of time to update the Touch… in other words, for them to look over the fence at the competitors and try to one-up them on features. Just like Apple and MS have been doing to each other for years.
Both companies have their good and bad… it’s just that Apple fanboys don’t like to admit the bad.

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Zune Pass (subscription) is an OPTION if you don’t want to buy music outright from the Marketplace. Otherwise, individual tracks are 99 cents.

Hello Apple fan-nuts… can we not do math?
MICROSOFT = Xbox Live = Zune.

In other words, all that video that is available on Xbox Live is the same thats up for sale/rent on Zune marketplace, its essentially the same marketplace.

Look, no one ever argues that Apple and Ipod dominate the PMP market. Whats offensive is the idea that everything else must be crap if it’s not iPod. If you compared the current 120GB Zune to the iPod Classic, the Zune walks away with better features and better build quality. I can’t say it enough: iPod quality has degradged over the years, I’m not speaking about the touch/iphone, but the “Classic” form factor is in serious need of updating (I can never go back to that tiny ass screen again) and better build. iPod videos have soldering flaws and cheap internals that crap out from normal use. I understand that if someone were to choose between an Ipod Classic Vs Zune 120, they’ll probably pick the Classic due to popularity and name recognition, but if they were to really base their decision on features, the Zune tops it. I’ve had 2 iPods (60GB photo, then 80GB video) and a Zune and I’ll never go back to Apple. I’ve repaired a handful of broken ipods myself, so I do know about these “non-defects” and not talking assumptions like most fanboys.

Then looking towards the Touch… it sure is a cool device. I still don’t want it because I need a player with a minimum of 60GB. So I would say the same about the Zune HD… but wait, MS threw one curve in there: Connectivity with Xbox Live? Oh, ok, wait… that changes everything for me because I am a gamer and I love my Xbox 360.

The Zune is a great PMP… MS had a folly w/ generation 1 Zune by making it ugly as sin. That was a bad move and it’s just hard to defeat the iPod’s popularity juggernaut, but that in no way makes the Zune bad. Talk crap about WinMo. Talk crap about MS Explorer. Talk crap about BSODs or RRODs… but that doesn’t mean every single thing MS does is horrible or of bad quality. The Zune is highly undderrated.

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Don’t equate, more for ‘better’. Apple produces a “better’ product. OSX is better and more stable and more advanced than any flavor of Windows.

Microsoft “stole’ yes “stole’ the modern day OS off of Apple as Apple “stole’ the modern GUI off or xerox.

Here educate yourself. Apple has always been better than Microsoft when designed software. Microsoft has always been better at taking someones else’s achievement and market it better. Not this time with the ipod and the iphone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_PARC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_v._Microsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X

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Well stated. I loved the subscription service and in general loved the Zune 80 when I had it, I just didn’t see any reason to keep it when I had an iPhone. You said it yourself, competition makes things better for us, the consumers. Annoys the hell out of me when the Apple fanboys trash anything not Apple like it shouldn’t exist. Heck it takes prodding Apple with a searing hot branding iron just to get them to add basic features to their products. Without competition there would be no motivation there for Apple to improve.

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As much as I love my Mac and prefer it to a PC, Apple will never, ever control the OS market. There will never be more MacBooks/iMacs out there than PC’s. There will never be more OS X based servers out there than Windows, period. Most likely there will not be more iPhones out worldwide than Windows Mobile phones.

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O another note, I am looking to get rid of the Zune 30 and my iPod for this beast.

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As I stated before…How is Apple REALLY dominating with less devices out there (excluding the ever so important MP3 market =|)

As stated…I don’t even LIKE American hardware (everything I own is either Japanese, Taiwanese, or Korean made), but this is actually a good device. More FEATURE packed than iPod sans App Store. And that could all change depending on what they do with this XLA stuff. So I’m actually excited to see if an American hardware can catch my attention again.

What you cult-like fanatics of ANY brand forget is that MS is a business giant. If it’s one thing they have above others…its $$$. And they can throw unlimited amounts out there til they get it right. All this stuff right here is just a side endeavor. They really don’t need this, but they’re going to go and try to get it. And if this doesnt work…hell, they have money to try again. So it’s not a big deal to MS, shouldn’t be to you either…

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Apple will always dominate microsoft when it really come down to it.

What’s this? Bad grammar dude….like iDavey says, thinks before you types….now how’s that for some grammar?

I heart my Zune 80……

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