Comments on: Apple approving apps with push, Beejive goes live

By: Yinka

Yinka — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:24:25 +0000

I got it last night June 23rd in the US and I cant’t stop praising it, by far the best app I have…It runs smoothly the PUSH notification is great I get IM alerts if the app is not running or my phone is in stand-by mode. The interface and backgrounds and animations are beautiful. Well worth the $9.99

@ NogamiI just check the app store today June 24th @ 1pm central time here in the US and the app is still there. Its called BeejiveIM 3.0 with PUSH

By: Nogami

Nogami — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:01:43 +0000

Did Apple pull it? I get a “no longer available” when I try and buy through the store.

By: davidroaldfrick

davidroaldfrick — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:40:04 +0000

although the ipod touch doesnt use att’s network for push notifications. its on apple’s end.

By: Cliff

Cliff — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:00:23 +0000

@christexaport and Christopher Cox,
I enjoy reading your comments and it is nice to see people can still have a healthy debate and still act as adults.

Posted from BGR Mobile (iPhone).

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:07:01 +0000

@JoeTour
Thats the thing. It is not RIM circa 2004 because BlackBerry does not support push API fully yet. I use my BlackBerry Curve when I am out on a business trip. I cringe when I run JiveTalk for Blackberry because it is very noticeable when running in the background keeping the radio open and connected all the time. When BB supports full push, which they are. Just google Blackberry push API … you will get apps like IM programs that can still notify you even if they are not running so it saves battery.

By: JoeTour

JoeTour — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:34 +0000

^ thats in refference to your ‘wide scale’ comment.

By: JoeTour

JoeTour — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:58:14 +0000

can we agree at least that as of now there is only IM push support?
if thats the case, its RIM circa 2004

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:41:16 +0000

@JoeTour
Yes, I am referring to how it is supposed to work. Not looking at initial opening growing pains. There are always problems when you open up a new service like this because it is just impossible to predict everything when you introduce millions of people using several things at one time.

Pretty soon, BlackBerry will have the same kind of push API. But right now, iPhone is the first to implement it wide scale.

By: JoeTour

JoeTour — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:32:33 +0000

@ chris cox
my post ^^ about the push capability’s of v 3.0

your the only one thats so sure about the push notifications of the i pgone.
everywhere, anywhere you go, they are just bitching about the very limited ‘push’ that apple added.

By: JoeTour

JoeTour — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:27:22 +0000

this is from ‘tech crunch’
“Push is great for services like IM, but it doesn’t resolve the lack of iPhone background support for all apps. ”
this is so true, while ‘berry-nation’ did take it for granted, this is a ‘bonus’ for the i-phone.
however, there are many many things that apple can do over the BB, and lets not forget the primary reason why, the ‘developers’ for one way or the other are more comfortable with their OS.
so again, productivity, isnt necessarily the jewel crown of the iphone.
and also lets be honest about the ‘record breaking’ one million orders over the weekend. its a hot product to a certain demographic tech savvy, junkies whatever. BB’s tend to sell better in the long term, while the i-phone is instantly a ‘must-have’ to a very large percentage of the I-base right away, i.e. the first weekend.

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:19:10 +0000

@sausage
Nobody else has push API. RIM just announced they will have one. Currently on BB, apps that are push like facebook get their notifications from email. The only thing push in BB is email. On iPhone, all of your apps can be push.

Show me which platform allows you to be notified by all of your apps of changes without them running in the background?

By: Joe the Plumber

Joe the Plumber — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:50:49 +0000

@andeh

beejive is cosmetically almost identical to im+ but in my experience im+ crashes a lot espicially with the built in browser and sometime when i log out and let someone else sign in with their account and then log myself back out all my buddies get a 1 next to their name.

i recommend beejive

By: Homsar

Homsar — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:24:48 +0000

I love this program, push works nicely. But the program now crashes after every message I send.

By: John-Fox

John-Fox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:12:10 +0000

Ok, so I have realized my push notifications do not arrive when on wifi. Anyone else having this issue?

By: fondoo

fondoo — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:04:10 +0000

push notification drains the battery like crazy. before beehive i would last a full day and today, battery is 3/4 shot.

By: John-Fox

John-Fox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:31:43 +0000

I am getting about 5% of the push notifiers from Beejive I should be. I hope this issue is raised up soon by someone with a voice.

By: Sausage

Sausage — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:12:12 +0000

You’ve got push?? welcome to 2008…err…2009 iPhone users!

By: andeh

andeh — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:08:45 +0000

Not wanting to spark off a debate, but with there being the current choices of im+ and beejive – which ones generally considered better?

I see the im+ of 3.1 supports push, is cheaper and supports skype as well, where as beejive is slightly more expensive and no skype (atm at least) – is beejive worth the extra $$?

By: BB4Lyfe

BB4Lyfe — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:19:20 +0000

oops. wrong post.

By: BB4Lyfe

BB4Lyfe — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:17:35 +0000

It was clearly stated about 5 times that it would NOT work for the 3GS…only the 3G.

By: Paco Loco

Paco Loco — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:59:54 +0000

I’m having issues as well… AOL keeps sending me notifications that I’m logged in elsewhere which I’m not & I get booted out. PUSH isn’t working & i’ve already deleted and redownloaded the app. Needs an update. Using an iphone 3Gs if it makes a diff.

By: fondoo

fondoo — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:47:33 +0000

im rocking the new beejive 3.0 and loving it. love the push notification. beejive you rock man!!

By: David

David — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:41:57 +0000

I didn’t have hopes for it working. A lot of people don’t understand that it’s not a service for activated AT&T customers. I was merely just making a statement. For people who might of thought that it’d work. I love when people act all tough through the Internet.

By: dave

dave — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:28:03 +0000

Does apple have MSN messenger for iPhone with Push?

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:12:39 +0000

@christaexport
No, push services are different. RIM has announced they will have push API similar to iPhone. Why if they can do background tasks? The advantage of push is that I can have a crapload of apps giving me updated information on things like im, patient records, bank information, news, etc … All withough having to run several apps in the background all constantly using the radio and eating battery. With a push system I can have 50 apps all notify me andbi don’t have to worry about making sure the app runs. It just happens, and happens without eating battery. What if you had to reset your phone (don’t say windows mobile never crashes) an you had critical apps you need to inform you. On the go it’s a pain to make sure all my apps are running so I can do work. With a push system, I don’t have to worry. I just reset my phone, stick it in my pocket, and sit comfortably knowing that all 50 apps will still notify my without me doing anything. And without eating battery, processor cycles, or RAM.

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:00:56 +0000

@christaexport
see that’s the thing. SMS does NOT use extra battery. The short messages knd of hitch a ride on packets that would have been sent anyways. So if I take my radio controlled car, shove it in my truck and drive it 10 miles away, the radio controlled car ate more gas just because it was sitting in the bed of my truck?

No matter how you slice it, the act of push notification does not drain battery. Push email may, because the initial push notification instructs the phone to use the data network to downoad the message. But it’s still not the initial push notification that is doing it. On iPhone, it does not instruct the app to download content. It just runs the app when user clicks view. That app will use data to get it’s stuff. But the argument still remains. In saying push eats battery, you are wrong.

By: christexaport

christexaport — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:50:47 +0000

visual voicemail doesn’t work because its a network service. on a symbian device, we can have visual voicemail because the device and app does the work, not the network. it won’t work on the iphone because its a network service, not a user installed choice. apple is so stupid for this, or maybe its just not possible on the iphone.

By: christexaport

christexaport — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:44:09 +0000

@ Christopher Cox,
I was merely saying that SMS DOES affect battery, as it requires the constant connection to the network, versus no network connection at all, which saves battery. It won’t “drain” the battery because the device was designed for this performance, just like Blackberries and Nokias have PUSH email and it doesn’t drain the battery. I assume PUSH works via 3g, so it will have an affect on the device, since I doubt the iPhone was designed to stay connected, unlike the Nokias and Blackberries.

I’ll admit I’m not so tight on mobile tech to the degree you are, however. How can TMobile not have a push framework on its network, yet I can use PUSH email on my N95 8gb? I assumed the PUSH service was achieved by the app and its servers, not at&t’s, but this is an assumption, I’ll admit.

I just think this is so sad. You guys are trumpeting something like its great, when I’ve long taken it for granted. If push and background apps is important, why use an iPhone? Its my biggest caveat. if it multitasked, I’d be so much higher on it, even with its closed ecosystem.

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:36:48 +0000

@christaexport
Error … the signaling protocol length that GSM uses is 140 bytes. SMS has to live within that.

By: Christopher Cox

Christopher Cox — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:28:05 +0000

@davidroaldfrick
Did you really think it would work on Tmobile?? Tmobile does not have a push framework on their network. I could have told you from the very beginning, without prior knowledge, that push would not work on an unlocked phone on Tmobile, for the same reason visual voicemail does not work.