Comments on: Telstra exec touts Pre killer coming in Q2 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:08:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Beans http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-2/#comment-383509 John Beans Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:25:57 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-383509 Sprint has been the most enlightened carrier about charging a reasonable price for unlimited data, which is important to people like me who do a lot with "push" corporate email, calendar, contacts, and attachments. I've had Verizon and it has very good coverage around the country; I would go back to it if the need presented itself. Sprint was spotty the first time I had it 12 years ago, but for the last three years has been quite good both locally and on trips in North America. The Pre announcement was timely enough to keep me from jumping right now from both Palm and potentially Sprint. Sprint has been the most enlightened carrier about charging a reasonable price for unlimited data, which is important to people like me who do a lot with “push” corporate email, calendar, contacts, and attachments. I’ve had Verizon and it has very good coverage around the country; I would go back to it if the need presented itself. Sprint was spotty the first time I had it 12 years ago, but for the last three years has been quite good both locally and on trips in North America. The Pre announcement was timely enough to keep me from jumping right now from both Palm and potentially Sprint.

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-2/#comment-376560 backbeat Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:30:40 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-376560 ^Maybe because BeOS was extremely promising _before_ Rosey Palm got its mits on it. Palm acquired it in order to kill BeOS. Simple as that. Idiot. ^Maybe because BeOS was extremely promising _before_ Rosey Palm got its mits on it. Palm acquired it in order to kill BeOS. Simple as that.

Idiot.

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]]> By: Flaming.Cowboy http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-2/#comment-375073 Flaming.Cowboy Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:58:32 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-375073 Um, why was BeOS mentioned as one of Palm's failures? BeOS is an Open Source operating system that has nothing to do with Palm, and failed long ago for reasons that do not relate to Palm in the slightest... As for the Folio, that WAS a failure, but bear in mind that the Folio was the first time Palm ever had a major flop... Unfortunately for them, certain people at Palm had too much confidence in the Folio, making its failure appear so much bigger than it was and ensuring that pretty much the entire world knew about it! Um, why was BeOS mentioned as one of Palm’s failures?

BeOS is an Open Source operating system that has nothing to do with Palm, and failed long ago for reasons that do not relate to Palm in the slightest…

As for the Folio, that WAS a failure, but bear in mind that the Folio was the first time Palm ever had a major flop… Unfortunately for them, certain people at Palm had too much confidence in the Folio, making its failure appear so much bigger than it was and ensuring that pretty much the entire world knew about it!

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]]> By: Flaming.Cowboy http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-2/#comment-375068 Flaming.Cowboy Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:48:35 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-375068 Telstra are a bunch of morons if they ditch the webOS-powered devices in favour of those running Android... Don't get me wrong, I'm a BIG Open Source supporter and I sincerely believe that Android has a LOT of potential... And whilst it may give the commercial smartphone operating systems (including Android) a run for their money, I don't think's it's ready yet... I consider its current state to be a large-scale, public beta. It's simply too early to be putting all one's eggs in the same basket as an unproven smartphone operating system. Palm was once the king of the PDA world, their previous operating system is still renowned for it's speed, security and reliability... Even their cheapest devices are made to a VERY high manufacturing standard! Palm is a proven platform with a large, loyal fanbase and deliberately excluding it like this is nothing more than a major telco force-feeding its customers the product of THEIR choosing! As a large Telstra corporate customer, I sincerely hope that Telstra change their mind about releasing a webOS-powered device or I might just have to look elsewhere... Telstra are a bunch of morons if they ditch the webOS-powered devices in favour of those running Android…

Don’t get me wrong, I’m a BIG Open Source supporter and I sincerely believe that Android has a LOT of potential…

And whilst it may give the commercial smartphone operating systems (including Android) a run for their money, I don’t think’s it’s ready yet… I consider its current state to be a large-scale, public beta.

It’s simply too early to be putting all one’s eggs in the same basket as an unproven smartphone operating system.

Palm was once the king of the PDA world, their previous operating system is still renowned for it’s speed, security and reliability… Even their cheapest devices are made to a VERY high manufacturing standard!

Palm is a proven platform with a large, loyal fanbase and deliberately excluding it like this is nothing more than a major telco force-feeding its customers the product of THEIR choosing!

As a large Telstra corporate customer, I sincerely hope that Telstra change their mind about releasing a webOS-powered device or I might just have to look elsewhere…

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]]> By: oddone http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373715 oddone Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:26:53 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373715 winmo 6.5 is coming out about the same time? is this a coincidence? :) winmo 6.5 is coming out about the same time? is this a coincidence? :)

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]]> By: avremele http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373667 avremele Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:26:11 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373667 How are your ulcers? "Shilling" for tums? How are your ulcers?

“Shilling” for tums?

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373625 backbeat Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:35:36 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373625 ^Just can't let it go, eh? Even when virtually all have turned the corner on bitterness, spamming, and insanity? Really? Just chill and let it go. ^Just can’t let it go, eh? Even when virtually all have turned the corner on bitterness, spamming, and insanity? Really? Just chill and let it go.

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]]> By: avremele http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373599 avremele Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:22:18 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373599 If backbeat would be as rational as you, life would be much easier. And his ulcers wouldn't act up so much. And tums would go out of business. But we like him agitated. One more month of good news for sprint and/or palm.... He'll explode! That being said, I have had the most wonderful experience with sprint in Brooklyn, NY. Sometimes, it's all about location. If backbeat would be as rational as you, life would be much easier. And his ulcers wouldn’t act up so much. And tums would go out of business. But we like him agitated. One more month of good news for sprint and/or palm…. He’ll explode!

That being said, I have had the most wonderful experience with sprint in Brooklyn, NY. Sometimes, it’s all about location.

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]]> By: HokiePS7 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373312 HokiePS7 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:24:22 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373312 @ neodorian I live in NE Ohio and had Sprint. The service sucked balls. I've had VZW and Alltel in the past and never had the problems I had dropping calls with Sprint. I jumped ship years ago and started using BlackBerry devices on AT&T and switched in July to the iPhone3G. I don't drop 1/100th the calls I did on Sprint. My personal experience, you could offer me a Pre with free service and I would pass. @ neodorian

I live in NE Ohio and had Sprint. The service sucked balls. I’ve had VZW and Alltel in the past and never had the problems I had dropping calls with Sprint. I jumped ship years ago and started using BlackBerry devices on AT&T and switched in July to the iPhone3G. I don’t drop 1/100th the calls I did on Sprint. My personal experience, you could offer me a Pre with free service and I would pass.

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373276 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:45:26 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373276 @neodorian: Once again ... Yin. Meet Yang. Your [or others'] irrationalism is met in-kind. Cause & Effect is the issue, not your porely considered premise. Removing the cause of a disease always provides a better outcome than its treatment. Simply stop and encourage others to follow suit. Simple, no? Sad, but true. ;) @neodorian:

Once again …

Yin. Meet Yang.

Your [or others'] irrationalism is met in-kind. Cause & Effect is the issue, not your porely considered premise. Removing the cause of a disease always provides a better outcome than its treatment. Simply stop and encourage others to follow suit. Simple, no?

Sad, but true. ;)

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]]> By: AgBand http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373254 AgBand Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:25:25 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373254 @ neodorain: Well said @ neodorain:

Well said

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]]> By: neodorian http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373240 neodorian Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:12:15 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373240 You still didn't answer my question. It's not uncommon for people on tech forums to talk about why they chose the services they do but for some reason you have like an irrational hatred of that company. Did Hesse rape your mom or something? self-serving? How so? I use their service and like paying half of what VZW or ATT would charge me for unlimited 3g. Like most people on tech blogs I enjoy talking about the things I like to use and why I like them. Some people seem to have nothing but negative opinions and trash talk to offer. In my opinion, that is the only example of spinelessness I can see. I hardly see how it is "propaganda" to discuss the merits and detriments of different devices and services. Maybe you could enlighten us as to what amazing choices you have made in the realm of personal electronics so that we could compare our experiences rather than just name calling and whining about other people's preferences. You still didn’t answer my question. It’s not uncommon for people on tech forums to talk about why they chose the services they do but for some reason you have like an irrational hatred of that company. Did Hesse rape your mom or something? self-serving? How so? I use their service and like paying half of what VZW or ATT would charge me for unlimited 3g. Like most people on tech blogs I enjoy talking about the things I like to use and why I like them. Some people seem to have nothing but negative opinions and trash talk to offer. In my opinion, that is the only example of spinelessness I can see. I hardly see how it is “propaganda” to discuss the merits and detriments of different devices and services.

Maybe you could enlighten us as to what amazing choices you have made in the realm of personal electronics so that we could compare our experiences rather than just name calling and whining about other people’s preferences.

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373180 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:19:29 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373180 ^Possibly because all the resident, self-serving Sprint apologists/propagandists have no shame or ethical spine? Just a theory. ;) ^Possibly because all the resident, self-serving Sprint apologists/propagandists have no shame or ethical spine? Just a theory. ;)

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]]> By: neodorian http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373166 neodorian Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:08:08 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373166 Why all the Sprint hate? I never understood why some people just love to root for the big guys and shit on the struggling. Do you all really want to have to choose between a crappy network that bent over for the Bush admin when they saked them to secretly (illegally) wiretap all traffic going through their switches and a network that cripples and rebrands perfectly decent handsets while they figure out a way to charge for capabilities already in the hardware? I seriously wonder what kind of loser roots for the big guy while kicking the little guy while he's down. Why all the Sprint hate? I never understood why some people just love to root for the big guys and shit on the struggling. Do you all really want to have to choose between a crappy network that bent over for the Bush admin when they saked them to secretly (illegally) wiretap all traffic going through their switches and a network that cripples and rebrands perfectly decent handsets while they figure out a way to charge for capabilities already in the hardware? I seriously wonder what kind of loser roots for the big guy while kicking the little guy while he’s down.

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]]> By: aveboogie http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373090 aveboogie Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:46:48 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373090 Can someone PLEASE get us outtakes of those Dan Hesse Sprint commercials. I mean, the dude has had to like trip a couple times while walking forward, drop the phone as he pulls it out his pocket, spit on himself as he says "Sprint" in the cold for the thousandth time, etc... Seriously, there's gotta be an outtake of Hesse screwing up his narrative just as he's finishing up after a 10-hr shoot, pausing to view a stock quote as Sprint's bottoms out and then just losing it. He goes from stomping his feet like a petulant kid, to breaking down in tears like Jesse from Saved by the Bell after divulging her addiction to caffeine pills. Can someone PLEASE get us outtakes of those Dan Hesse Sprint commercials. I mean, the dude has had to like trip a couple times while walking forward, drop the phone as he pulls it out his pocket, spit on himself as he says “Sprint” in the cold for the thousandth time, etc…

Seriously, there’s gotta be an outtake of Hesse screwing up his narrative just as he’s finishing up after a 10-hr shoot, pausing to view a stock quote as Sprint’s bottoms out and then just losing it. He goes from stomping his feet like a petulant kid, to breaking down in tears like Jesse from Saved by the Bell after divulging her addiction to caffeine pills.

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]]> By: Greg http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373088 Greg Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:43:54 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373088 If the G1 had looked like this rendering I might not have returned it. If the G1 had looked like this rendering I might not have returned it.

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]]> By: killa killa http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373087 killa killa Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:41:01 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373087 BLAH BLAH BLEH.... ..the next iPhone killer... BLAH BLAH BLEH.... wishful thinking.... iPhone rules the day. None of these phony phones could kill anything, except themselves. I get soooo tired of the desparation. Give it up. BLAH BLAH BLEH….
..the next iPhone killer…
BLAH BLAH BLEH….

wishful thinking….

iPhone rules the day.
None of these phony phones could kill anything, except themselves.
I get soooo tired of the desparation. Give it up.

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373074 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:25:35 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373074 ^This guy must be like the Dan Hesse from Down Unda. ;) ^This guy must be like the Dan Hesse from Down Unda. ;)

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]]> By: Synthmeister http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373070 Synthmeister Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:21:13 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373070 From what I can see, the Pre reminds of a great restaurant, with great food but unfortunately it has a terrible business plan and will be 3 years late to the party. No matter how great the OS is, you've got some BIG obstacles: 1. Developers, do devs even know Palm exists anymore? 2. Sprint? Sprint!?? Sprint!!!!???? 3. Sprint & Palm are two companies in very crappy financial positions right now. They can't afford to subsidize the the Pre for 2 to 3 years. (Apple, Microsoft and Goggle on the other hand, have billions to play with.) 4. They better price that thing competitively with the iphone and blackberrys, etc. in this market. Rumors have it that the Palm CEO said there was no need to price the Pre below iPhone. 5. Still very, very sketchy on the corporate execution, developer program, app store, desktop sync, document support, etc., etc. 6. Remember BeOS and Folio? Right, neither does anyone else. Palm doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation for executing products. 7. Six months till delivery? SIX frickin' months? By that time, Android, iPhone, RIM and maybe even MS will have many more goodies ready to rock. That's an eternity. From what I can see, the Pre reminds of a great restaurant, with great food but unfortunately it has a terrible business plan and will be 3 years late to the party. No matter how great the OS is, you’ve got some BIG obstacles:

1. Developers, do devs even know Palm exists anymore?
2. Sprint? Sprint!?? Sprint!!!!????
3. Sprint & Palm are two companies in very crappy financial positions right now. They can’t afford to subsidize the the Pre for 2 to 3 years. (Apple, Microsoft and Goggle on the other hand, have billions to play with.)
4. They better price that thing competitively with the iphone and blackberrys, etc. in this market. Rumors have it that the Palm CEO said there was no need to price the Pre below iPhone.
5. Still very, very sketchy on the corporate execution, developer program, app store, desktop sync, document support, etc., etc.
6. Remember BeOS and Folio? Right, neither does anyone else. Palm doesn’t exactly have a sterling reputation for executing products.
7. Six months till delivery? SIX frickin’ months? By that time, Android, iPhone, RIM and maybe even MS will have many more goodies ready to rock. That’s an eternity.

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]]> By: Canis_Major http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373057 Canis_Major Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:10:01 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373057 @Zach, "Could this be the start of an iPhone killer-free blogosphere?" Uh, Zach, you guys ARE the blogoshpere. If you want an iPhone Killer-free blogosphere, all that needs to happen is for you guys (and Engadget and Gizmodo) to stop writing things like "New Nokia ABC - an iPhone Killer?" about every new smartphone being released. @Zach,

“Could this be the start of an iPhone killer-free blogosphere?”
Uh, Zach, you guys ARE the blogoshpere. If you want an iPhone Killer-free blogosphere, all that needs to happen is for you guys (and Engadget and Gizmodo) to stop writing things like “New Nokia ABC – an iPhone Killer?” about every new smartphone being released.

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]]> By: Don http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373053 Don Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:05:16 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373053 From what I have been reading around on the internet, people who have used Telstra in AUS arent believing what is being said by this guy. I guess they have high expectations a lot and low outcomes...lol. The Pre does look like a beast though! From what I have been reading around on the internet, people who have used Telstra in AUS arent believing what is being said by this guy. I guess they have high expectations a lot and low outcomes…lol. The Pre does look like a beast though!

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373041 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:48:02 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373041 ^Still shilling on behalf of the little carrier that couldn't? ;) Have you no shame, bitchboy? ^Still shilling on behalf of the little carrier that couldn’t? ;)

Have you no shame, bitchboy?

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]]> By: Don Louie http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373032 Don Louie Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:39:44 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373032 That looks like the Touch HD, if that comes out with Android in North America you probably can count on Sprint getting it That looks like the Touch HD, if that comes out with Android in North America you probably can count on Sprint getting it

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373019 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:16:16 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373019 ^What part of AUS are you in? ^What part of AUS are you in?

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]]> By: neodorian http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373018 neodorian Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:14:34 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373018 Take this with a grain of salt if you have heard anything else from Telstra execs in the past. Take this with a grain of salt if you have heard anything else from Telstra execs in the past.

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]]> By: backbeat http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373015 backbeat Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:08:50 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373015 This Telstra exec is setting the bar too low. ;) This Telstra exec is setting the bar too low.

;)

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]]> By: Jon http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373014 Jon Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:08:26 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373014 how can you kill something that has been delivered to the market? also, every company that called it's product an "iPhone killer" has failed to "kill" the iPhone. Palm has done it right, but making no mention of the iPhone in any way. how can you kill something that has been delivered to the market?
also, every company that called it’s product an “iPhone killer” has failed to “kill” the iPhone.

Palm has done it right, but making no mention of the iPhone in any way.

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]]> By: PHX Zoo Geek http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373006 PHX Zoo Geek Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:03:15 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373006 HAHA, in making a point about not mentioning the iPhone... Making fun of those who use iPhone for search engine optimization... you mentioned iPhone 4 times (including the quote)! haha. Not to be outdone... iPhone iPhone iPhone! HAHA, in making a point about not mentioning the iPhone… Making fun of those who use iPhone for search engine optimization… you mentioned iPhone 4 times (including the quote)! haha. Not to be outdone… iPhone iPhone iPhone!

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]]> By: 216 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/12/telstra-exec-touts-pre-killer-coming-in-q2/comment-page-1/#comment-373005 216 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:02:39 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=14252#comment-373005 "could the Pre be the next must-kill handset?" that's exactly what I was thinking lol. Like does each new great phone have to kill the last one before it? What is the Highlander? “could the Pre be the next must-kill handset?”

that’s exactly what I was thinking lol. Like does each new great phone have to kill the last one before it? What is the Highlander?

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