Comments on: Microsoft hits Apple on their own turf http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:07:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: likeabite http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313651 likeabite Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:48:55 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313651 @ russd - Whatever Microsoft's reasoning was I'm sure it was purely self-motivated. However, I doubt the Antitrust would've killed the company that is Microsoft and thus in saving Apple they saved themselves. Even if that was the case you still have to look at it in terms of loaning someone money when they desperately needed it and could've died and the ungrateful person turns around and insults you. How would that make you feel? I know that's an extreme scenario but if I help someone out in any sort of way and the gratitute I receive is a bunch of insults I have every right to attack back. And why when I attack back I'm the one being juvenile? It's like then I shouldn't have helped them out to begin with. @ russd – Whatever Microsoft’s reasoning was I’m sure it was purely self-motivated. However, I doubt the Antitrust would’ve killed the company that is Microsoft and thus in saving Apple they saved themselves. Even if that was the case you still have to look at it in terms of loaning someone money when they desperately needed it and could’ve died and the ungrateful person turns around and insults you. How would that make you feel? I know that’s an extreme scenario but if I help someone out in any sort of way and the gratitute I receive is a bunch of insults I have every right to attack back. And why when I attack back I’m the one being juvenile? It’s like then I shouldn’t have helped them out to begin with.

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]]> By: russd http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313572 russd Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:24:05 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313572 likeabite, I believe M$ only invested $150M in Microsoft back in 1995 when they were bleeding $45-50M per quarter. AAPL was trading at $15 back then when I bought in and there was a merger rumor with Sun going around the Valley. The reason M$ invested in AAPL at the time was an imminent antitrust suit to be filed against M$. It was in M$'s best interest to keep AAPL alive so they could point at an alternate host platform for their biggest non-OS revenue generator -- M$ Office. M$ couldn't afford to let AAPL go under. That Nov. @ COMDEX, AAPL unveiled the iMac and the rest as they say, is history likeabite,

I believe M$ only invested $150M in Microsoft back in 1995 when they were bleeding $45-50M per quarter. AAPL was trading at $15 back then when I bought in and there was a merger rumor with Sun going around the Valley.

The reason M$ invested in AAPL at the time was an imminent antitrust suit to be filed against M$. It was in M$’s best interest to keep AAPL alive so they could point at an alternate host platform for their biggest non-OS revenue generator — M$ Office. M$ couldn’t afford to let AAPL go under. That Nov. @ COMDEX, AAPL unveiled the iMac and the rest as they say, is history

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]]> By: likeabite http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313440 likeabite Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:16:58 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313440 And another thing people seem to forget that Mirosoft still owns a part of Apple...so you can't expect them to ignore such brazen insults from a company they did a favor for. They could've just let Apple crumble and die when it was on the brink rather than investing $500M in that ungrateful company. From a great blogger who articulated this point wonderfully: I see a bunch of vultures thinking they are picking over MS's carcus, but actually they are just fussing over some of MS's old clothes. They cannot tell the difference because they are so blinkered about feeding per se rather than whether it is the real thing. Lack of descrimination really. MS kept ahead because they didn't drop the ball whereas a lot of their 'competition' (like Apple, IBM, Digital Research, Xerox) did. Dropping the ball is different from fumbling the ball. Apple has deliberately and arrogantly ditched loyal customers with virtually no notice - such as via the swift demise of the Newton and eMagic's PC version of Logic. If MS was as ruthless as many make out, it could easily have presided over Apple's demise rather than bolster it with a $500M investment when it was down and almost out. However, Apple has no compulsion about publically deriding MS OS bloat while sabotaging Windows with iTunes bloat. How hypocritical! Apple pisses in people's pockets and the recipients believe them when told it is raining! Ms has many hands in many areas with enough of them turning a profit that it can survive. Everyone seems to be focussing on the few products with a public profile as if that was all MS made. Up till MS made cheaper mice available to OEMs en masse, they were expensive and relatively rare. Strategically important for computing, but not really a money-spinner for them, but it did give rise to a lot of add-on merchants. MS will face real competition when someone comes out with MANY things that really are a quantum leap beyond what MS (and all the wannabees) already do. Neither Apple nor Linux are that quantum leap, but just a variation on a theme. It also seems that many are under the illusion that a Google or Apple monopoly would be benign. Just look at how they are trying to build very closed shops. They both have a vision of them being THE enviroment, not just a part of it. One thing is clear is that while MS has tried set itself up as an ESSENTIAL PART of the environment, it has never been under the delusion that it will be the WHOLE environment. There is that fundamental difference that allows others (all the developers from 'gurus' to weekend hacks) to be a part of the creative evolution of the environment. When MS added IE to the OS, it did not just add an application - it added a whole bunch of web components that every developer could utilise in their programs. It also embedded the technology deep into the OS, not just as a skin. The embedding was so pervasive that many OS updates were done as part of IE updates rather than as the OS per se. WMP is another 'application' that is just a functional shell for a whole lot of OS multimedia components. The EU focussing on the whole lot rather than the actual issue of being able to 'easily' use anybody's media player (even the one I can knock together out of some the same components in an afternoon) as the default. As a developer, I would want the components I am utilising on as many computers with the OS as possible so that I can be assured that what I develop will be able to run on them, and not be excluded by legislature. As for Sun and Java, why didn't they just improve and universalise C? No, they had to make their own proprietory language so they had control. It is very popular despite being severly bloated, though no one seems to be having a go at them. Ah, but hey, they are MS's competition, so they are exempt from criticism. What a load of crock! Let's call a spade a spade. Most companies want to make you dependent upon them in some way and spin a lot of self-congratulatory yarns, because it is part of self-survival, but we really have to watch out for companies that are not really interested in helping us to expand and grow, but would rather we just towed the line, accepted their suppression of criticism from the loyal as being for the common good and accept their ruthlessness in perpetuating their world view as THE world view as if they were more important to us than God! Contrary to what some seem to paint MS as a company, one person didn't die for each copy of Windows (vis rubber production in South America in past centuries), they didn't poison the drinking water, spill oil over the wilderness nor gas people in toxic clouds. However, they did get more people feeling they could get into, and actually do, programming (via an imperfect VB) than all the other computer languages combined. That is participation, not exclusion. At the same time it opened up cottage industries for developer's who up till then were rather stifled by languages with restrictive and expensive royalty fees. I know that many don't want to hear this because they think that MS is evil but no one else can be even if they do things in a more draconian and exclusive way. Evil has many forms and it does not always appear to be 'bad' but the result is that one becomes really dependent as one's will becomes susumed into the so-called 'benfactor's world view. Double-think and 1984 are still relevent. The liberators become the jail-keepers. Vis Robert Mugabe. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist who becam a stateman, with a world view that stretched far beyond the confines of his prison. Posted by: Patanjali Posted on: 10/31/08 And another thing people seem to forget that Mirosoft still owns a part of Apple…so you can’t expect them to ignore such brazen insults from a company they did a favor for. They could’ve just let Apple crumble and die when it was on the brink rather than investing $500M in that ungrateful company. From a great blogger who articulated this point wonderfully:

I see a bunch of vultures thinking they are picking over MS’s carcus, but actually they are just fussing over some of MS’s old clothes. They cannot tell the difference because they are so blinkered about feeding per se rather than whether it is the real thing. Lack of descrimination really.

MS kept ahead because they didn’t drop the ball whereas a lot of their ‘competition’ (like Apple, IBM, Digital Research, Xerox) did. Dropping the ball is different from fumbling the ball.

Apple has deliberately and arrogantly ditched loyal customers with virtually no notice – such as via the swift demise of the Newton and eMagic’s PC version of Logic. If MS was as ruthless as many make out, it could easily have presided over Apple’s demise rather than bolster it with a $500M investment when it was down and almost out. However, Apple has no compulsion about publically deriding MS OS bloat while sabotaging Windows with iTunes bloat. How hypocritical! Apple pisses in people’s pockets and the recipients believe them when told it is raining!

Ms has many hands in many areas with enough of them turning a profit that it can survive. Everyone seems to be focussing on the few products with a public profile as if that was all MS made. Up till MS made cheaper mice available to OEMs en masse, they were expensive and relatively rare. Strategically important for computing, but not really a money-spinner for them, but it did give rise to a lot of add-on merchants.

MS will face real competition when someone comes out with MANY things that really are a quantum leap beyond what MS (and all the wannabees) already do. Neither Apple nor Linux are that quantum leap, but just a variation on a theme.

It also seems that many are under the illusion that a Google or Apple monopoly would be benign. Just look at how they are trying to build very closed shops. They both have a vision of them being THE enviroment, not just a part of it. One thing is clear is that while MS has tried set itself up as an ESSENTIAL PART of the environment, it has never been under the delusion that it will be the WHOLE environment. There is that fundamental difference that allows others (all the developers from ‘gurus’ to weekend hacks) to be a part of the creative evolution of the environment.

When MS added IE to the OS, it did not just add an application – it added a whole bunch of web components that every developer could utilise in their programs. It also embedded the technology deep into the OS, not just as a skin. The embedding was so pervasive that many OS updates were done as part of IE updates rather than as the OS per se. WMP is another ‘application’ that is just a functional shell for a whole lot of OS multimedia components. The EU focussing on the whole lot rather than the actual issue of being able to ‘easily’ use anybody’s media player (even the one I can knock together out of some the same components in an afternoon) as the default. As a developer, I would want the components I am utilising on as many computers with the OS as possible so that I can be assured that what I develop will be able to run on them, and not be excluded by legislature.

As for Sun and Java, why didn’t they just improve and universalise C? No, they had to make their own proprietory language so they had control. It is very popular despite being severly bloated, though no one seems to be having a go at them. Ah, but hey, they are MS’s competition, so they are exempt from criticism. What a load of crock! Let’s call a spade a spade. Most companies want to make you dependent upon them in some way and spin a lot of self-congratulatory yarns, because it is part of self-survival, but we really have to watch out for companies that are not really interested in helping us to expand and grow, but would rather we just towed the line, accepted their suppression of criticism from the loyal as being for the common good and accept their ruthlessness in perpetuating their world view as THE world view as if they were more important to us than God!

Contrary to what some seem to paint MS as a company, one person didn’t die for each copy of Windows (vis rubber production in South America in past centuries), they didn’t poison the drinking water, spill oil over the wilderness nor gas people in toxic clouds. However, they did get more people feeling they could get into, and actually do, programming (via an imperfect VB) than all the other computer languages combined. That is participation, not exclusion. At the same time it opened up cottage industries for developer’s who up till then were rather stifled by languages with restrictive and expensive royalty fees.

I know that many don’t want to hear this because they think that MS is evil but no one else can be even if they do things in a more draconian and exclusive way. Evil has many forms and it does not always appear to be ‘bad’ but the result is that one becomes really dependent as one’s will becomes susumed into the so-called ‘benfactor’s world view. Double-think and 1984 are still relevent. The liberators become the jail-keepers. Vis Robert Mugabe. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist who becam a stateman, with a world view that stretched far beyond the confines of his prison.
Posted by: Patanjali Posted on: 10/31/08

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]]> By: likeabite http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313433 likeabite Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:09:55 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313433 The idea that this is low and cheap on Microsoft's part is well beyond me. How long have the ridiculous Apple ads been running on TV and no one has condemned them for it? And ever since Microsoft actually started spending money on Ads the Apple ones got even dumber and more low-brow. The idea of these kiosks is just do diver attention and make people think of Microsoft when they are next to the Apple store of whatever. I think it is great on their part simply because they're tired of Apple thinking they can attack them all the time for no apparent reason. Someone please riddle me this: If Apple is so great why can't they sell their products without mentioning Microsoft? When was the last time a Microsoft ad mentioned Apple? Every single Apple ad for their computers mention Microsoft...don't you find that kind of disturbing? You Apple fanboys love turning a blind eye when it's in favor of your everlasting love, with your endless supply of kneepads. Yet you are quick to call other companies pathetic when they make the iPhone killer comparisons and commercials. You are all on that "Don't you dare even compare any touchscreen product to the iPhone because it's the best and there's nothing to it...that's why it's number one and that is why everyone is making cheap attempts at overthrowing it." Isn't that the same logic here? Apple attacks the champ because they are making cheap attempts at overthrowing it and yet that is perfectly fine. As soon as Microsoft starts fighting back it is a problem. Get over it and be more rational...you can't have your cake and eat it too. The idea that this is low and cheap on Microsoft’s part is well beyond me. How long have the ridiculous Apple ads been running on TV and no one has condemned them for it? And ever since Microsoft actually started spending money on Ads the Apple ones got even dumber and more low-brow. The idea of these kiosks is just do diver attention and make people think of Microsoft when they are next to the Apple store of whatever. I think it is great on their part simply because they’re tired of Apple thinking they can attack them all the time for no apparent reason.

Someone please riddle me this: If Apple is so great why can’t they sell their products without mentioning Microsoft? When was the last time a Microsoft ad mentioned Apple? Every single Apple ad for their computers mention Microsoft…don’t you find that kind of disturbing? You Apple fanboys love turning a blind eye when it’s in favor of your everlasting love, with your endless supply of kneepads. Yet you are quick to call other companies pathetic when they make the iPhone killer comparisons and commercials. You are all on that “Don’t you dare even compare any touchscreen product to the iPhone because it’s the best and there’s nothing to it…that’s why it’s number one and that is why everyone is making cheap attempts at overthrowing it.” Isn’t that the same logic here? Apple attacks the champ because they are making cheap attempts at overthrowing it and yet that is perfectly fine. As soon as Microsoft starts fighting back it is a problem. Get over it and be more rational…you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

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]]> By: Tom Cole http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313250 Tom Cole Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:52:50 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313250 Remember, the purpose of this really has little to do with actually convincing anyone approaching the store to consider Windows instead. The primary purpose is to generate internet "buzz" and get free press coverage... including being able to reference "ballsy" commentary. It is a PR stunt. Kudos to Microsoft for realizing that their PR sucks. But ten demerits for having to use "stunts" to compete. Remember, the purpose of this really has little to do with actually convincing anyone approaching the store to consider Windows instead. The primary purpose is to generate internet “buzz” and get free press coverage… including being able to reference “ballsy” commentary. It is a PR stunt.

Kudos to Microsoft for realizing that their PR sucks. But ten demerits for having to use “stunts” to compete.

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]]> By: Terrible Twos http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313244 Terrible Twos Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:41:29 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313244 This is hilarious but I don't think it will be effective at all. It's the equivalent of having a booth to convince people to own a cat outside of a dog training school. These people have already made up their mind. Microsoft will look dumb here. This is hilarious but I don’t think it will be effective at all. It’s the equivalent of having a booth to convince people to own a cat outside of a dog training school. These people have already made up their mind. Microsoft will look dumb here.

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]]> By: H.N.I.C. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-313004 H.N.I.C. Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:28:01 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-313004 If a fair amount of your product line runs like shit, does a come-back/revamped announcement mean the shit has hit the fan? If a fair amount of your product line runs like shit, does a come-back/revamped announcement mean the shit has hit the fan?

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]]> By: Partners in Grime http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-312993 Partners in Grime Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:19:37 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312993 Looks like it has walls. Looks like it has walls.

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]]> By: bluehorseshoe http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-312953 bluehorseshoe Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:43:49 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312953 ...and PS...MS doesn't sell computers or phones. How astonishing is it now? …and PS…MS doesn’t sell computers or phones. How astonishing is it now?

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]]> By: bluehorseshoe http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-312951 bluehorseshoe Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:41:10 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312951 @ Synthmeister... BIGGER CORRECTION: MS revenue/profit for the past year: 61+ billion/17.5 billion Apple revenue/profit for the past year: 24 billion/3.5 billion MS also has a market cap that is 100 billion more than Apple. Apple outsold RIM alone by only 800k last quarter, not including any MS devices. Check out the quote from Steve Jobs himself. LOL... Where the hell did you get your numbers from? Do your due diligence. I'm an Apple fan, but let's not get sloppy. @ Synthmeister…

BIGGER CORRECTION:

MS revenue/profit for the past year: 61+ billion/17.5 billion

Apple revenue/profit for the past year: 24 billion/3.5 billion

MS also has a market cap that is 100 billion more than Apple.

Apple outsold RIM alone by only 800k last quarter, not including any MS devices. Check out the quote from Steve Jobs himself. LOL…

Where the hell did you get your numbers from? Do your due diligence.

I’m an Apple fan, but let’s not get sloppy.

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]]> By: Synthmeister http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-4/#comment-312847 Synthmeister Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:09:40 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312847 Little correction: MS revenue/profit for last year: $15 Billion/4.37 billion Apple revenue/profit for last year: $7.9 billion/2.44 billion Pretty astonishing when you consider that MS has 90% of the market and Apple only about 8%. Also Apple now has more cash on hand ($24 billion) than MS ($20 billion) Apple also outsold RIM and MS last quarter in cell phones. Little correction:

MS revenue/profit for last year: $15 Billion/4.37 billion
Apple revenue/profit for last year: $7.9 billion/2.44 billion

Pretty astonishing when you consider that MS has 90% of the market and Apple only about 8%.

Also Apple now has more cash on hand ($24 billion) than MS ($20 billion)

Apple also outsold RIM and MS last quarter in cell phones.

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]]> By: zato http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312405 zato Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:39:52 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312405 Dark Demon wrote: "This is hilarious! I live in Birmingham, England and I looked at that pic and immediately recognised it. That’s funny, I’ll go and check that out tomorrow." Let us know what you see. I suspect the photo is a photoshop fake. The operators of a mall would not put a Microsoft booth directly in front of the Apple store. Dark Demon wrote: “This is hilarious! I live in Birmingham, England and I looked at that pic and immediately recognised it. That’s funny, I’ll go and check that out tomorrow.”

Let us know what you see. I suspect the photo is a photoshop fake. The operators of a mall would not put a Microsoft booth directly in front of the Apple store.

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]]> By: RON http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312404 RON Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:38:35 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312404 MS doesn't make pee-cees. Just software that runs/walks on them. BTW Even MS has dropped the 'vista' tag. Now it's windows 7 or something. MS doesn’t make pee-cees. Just software that runs/walks on them.

BTW Even MS has dropped the ‘vista’ tag. Now it’s windows 7 or something.

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]]> By: imsocool http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312369 imsocool Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:26:50 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312369 im sorry but pc will always be better than a mac why because im running: MacOSX (kalyway) , ubuntu, and vista on my machine bling bling lol!! im sorry but pc will always be better than a mac why because im running:
MacOSX (kalyway) , ubuntu, and vista on my machine

bling bling lol!!

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]]> By: RON http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312368 RON Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:23:35 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312368 giggity,"i haven’t had any problems with vista either…if you can’t get it to run smoothly your a dumb@$$" Exactly!--You have to 'get vista to run smoothly'. A computer is a tool. Imagine if you had to 'get a shovel to work smoothly', or a 'hammer to work smoothly'. Just get a Mac and it'll run every OS that's available, smoothly. BTW, you won't have to get it to work. It'll 'Just Work'. Even a pee-cee maroon will be able to do it. giggity,”i haven’t had any problems with vista either…if you can’t get it to run smoothly your a dumb@$$”

Exactly!–You have to ‘get vista to run smoothly’. A computer is a tool. Imagine if you had to ‘get a shovel to work smoothly’, or a ‘hammer to work smoothly’. Just get a Mac and it’ll run every OS that’s available, smoothly. BTW, you won’t have to get it to work. It’ll ‘Just Work’. Even a pee-cee maroon will be able to do it.

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]]> By: bluehorseshoe http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312350 bluehorseshoe Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:56:42 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312350 @ d Actually, it’s people who understand computers and used a PC buy a MAC. That's what she said. @ d

Actually, it’s people who understand computers and used a PC buy a MAC.

That’s what she said.

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]]> By: Dom http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312300 Dom Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:55:05 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312300 Well I'm not going to say this is dirty because I have a feeling after this move apple's going to pulling out all the stops and just go full force with their advertising so saying micro$oft plays dirty and apple doesn't is like a double standard. Apple '08! Well I’m not going to say this is dirty because I have a feeling after this move apple’s going to pulling out all the stops and just go full force with their advertising so saying micro$oft plays dirty and apple doesn’t is like a double standard.

Apple ‘08!

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]]> By: JustMe http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312274 JustMe Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:51:37 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312274 @d I've been a PC user for probably 8 years, including about year of Vista. Two months ago I switched to Mac. I don't understand computers? @d
I’ve been a PC user for probably 8 years, including about year of Vista. Two months ago I switched to Mac.
I don’t understand computers?

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]]> By: Sean http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312242 Sean Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:05:41 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312242 Could not agree more....I "am a PC", and I also have an iPhone 3G, I use them very effectively with one another. To all the Vista haters: either explain (coherently), in an academic fashion what you hate about Vista, and why you find it is so terrible or inferior to the almighty Mac, or simply just shut up already. I have yet to find someone comment, in a very practical and factually grounded manner why they hold their position. I like Apple products, but honestly, they put on airs as though they are the superior elite without even understanding that if it weren't for MS they would probably have no business...BTW (they are business partners). Mac users: either provide facts and real comparisons to show you machines superiority or just stop talking, because otherwise all you are doing is being an Apple apologist only giving talking points and rhetoric in place of convincing facts... Either put up, or shut the hell up. BTW...I detest how Apple plays the role of "big brother" and particularly to their iPhone customers, and want us to fall down in worship when they release something for the iPhone that really should have been there in the first place....look for this phenomenon when they release C&P, if they ever get around to doing it. Could not agree more….I “am a PC”, and I also have an iPhone 3G, I use them very effectively with one another.

To all the Vista haters: either explain (coherently), in an academic fashion what you hate about Vista, and why you find it is so terrible or inferior to the almighty Mac, or simply just shut up already. I have yet to find someone comment, in a very practical and factually grounded manner why they hold their position.

I like Apple products, but honestly, they put on airs as though they are the superior elite without even understanding that if it weren’t for MS they would probably have no business…BTW (they are business partners). Mac users: either provide facts and real comparisons to show you machines superiority or just stop talking, because otherwise all you are doing is being an Apple apologist only giving talking points and rhetoric in place of convincing facts…

Either put up, or shut the hell up.

BTW…I detest how Apple plays the role of “big brother” and particularly to their iPhone customers, and want us to fall down in worship when they release something for the iPhone that really should have been there in the first place….look for this phenomenon when they release C&P, if they ever get around to doing it.

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]]> By: d http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312222 d Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:04:35 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312222 People who understand computers buy PCs, people who don’t understand computers buy Macs, it’s that simple and there is nothing more to it. If you're disagreeing with this point you're an apple fanboy. People who understand computers buy PCs, people who don’t understand computers buy Macs, it’s that simple and there is nothing more to it.

If you’re disagreeing with this point you’re an apple fanboy.

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]]> By: It Is What It Is!! http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312210 It Is What It Is!! Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:53:19 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312210 You say Microsoft, I say Apple You say Xbox360, I say Playstation 3 You say iphone, I say Touch HD You say Nintendo DS, I say PSP Point is who really cares? Stick to what works for you! Am I getting paid for this diehard fanboy bullshit? NO! Is there money/ royalties going into your pocket? NO! and lastly... Does Steve Ballmer/ Jobs give a shit about you? NO! so why are you getting an erection/ hurt feelings over someone else's preference?? You say Microsoft, I say Apple
You say Xbox360, I say Playstation 3
You say iphone, I say Touch HD
You say Nintendo DS, I say PSP

Point is who really cares? Stick to what works for you!
Am I getting paid for this diehard fanboy bullshit? NO!
Is there money/ royalties going into your pocket? NO!
and lastly…
Does Steve Ballmer/ Jobs give a shit about you? NO!

so why are you getting an erection/ hurt feelings over someone else’s preference??

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]]> By: Makes Me Wonder http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312206 Makes Me Wonder Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:40:48 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312206 Let's put it like this, to each his/ her own. I owned macs for 5 years, had the best of times also the worst of times, riddled with a ton of incompatibility issues but were user friendly, it came to a point where it hurt me more than it helped me. Figured I'd try a PC and have never looked back since, do I miss my mac, hell yeah! do I wish my PC functiond like a mac, hell no! i knew what i was buying when I bought it. Now all this fanboyism is quite hilarious for the most part, I find it particularly funny about how petty this all is, after all, are you really that eager and willing to give both Steves your hard earned money? Let’s put it like this, to each his/ her own. I owned macs for 5 years, had the best of times also the worst of times, riddled with a ton of incompatibility issues but were user friendly, it came to a point where it hurt me more than it helped me.

Figured I’d try a PC and have never looked back since, do I miss my mac, hell yeah! do I wish my PC functiond like a mac, hell no! i knew what i was buying when I bought it.

Now all this fanboyism is quite hilarious for the most part, I find it particularly funny about how petty this all is, after all, are you really that eager and willing to give both Steves your hard earned money?

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]]> By: Muntari http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312171 Muntari Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:22:10 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312171 Your numbers are way off, it's not even funny. I also suggest you look up the meaning of the word profit. Your numbers are way off, it’s not even funny. I also suggest you look up the meaning of the word profit.

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]]> By: Evilhomer Sucks http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312161 Evilhomer Sucks Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:50:53 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312161 @ Evilhomer: You're a complete moron. MS should take the high road but it's OK for Apple to attack MS? To paraphrase you - It's called competition in a free market dumb@ss! @ Evilhomer: You’re a complete moron. MS should take the high road but it’s OK for Apple to attack MS? To paraphrase you – It’s called competition in a free market dumb@ss!

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]]> By: Ryan http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312114 Ryan Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:19:26 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312114 I think this is a move of desperation, and just tad immature. If you build it, they will come. Maybe MS should focus more on actually making their products speak for itself. I think this is a move of desperation, and just tad immature. If you build it, they will come. Maybe MS should focus more on actually making their products speak for itself.

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]]> By: Evilhomer http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312039 Evilhomer Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:12:41 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312039 @J3ff: So you are saying that bigger is better? If I make more money than you, does that make me a better person than you? Does Exxon rule and have a place in your heart because they are worth billions even though they do it by ripping off us consumers by manipulating the markets? I don't even think you want to go into the mobile OS discussion. MS has been pumping that craptastic OS out for years and years, while Apple has been in the game a little over a year? Seriously. Did you expect that the Apple OS which runs on one device would have the same numbers as MS? Now, if MS has so much money, and is so confident in is market share, why then are they so petty about Apple and not just take the high road and ignore them. Why have they worked so hard to publicly try and squash the open source community? To those that think Apple is somehow mean for attacking MS, GET REAL. It's called competition in a free market dumb@sses. I'm sure MS widdle feelings will survive a few jabs from the "underdog" It's not like they don't spend hundreds of millions trying to buy out or stomp out any kind of competition. They spent a fortune trying to convince the world that linux is crap. HA! Linux is crap at a free price tag but Vista is worth $400??? HAHAHA @J3ff: So you are saying that bigger is better? If I make more money than you, does that make me a better person than you? Does Exxon rule and have a place in your heart because they are worth billions even though they do it by ripping off us consumers by manipulating the markets?

I don’t even think you want to go into the mobile OS discussion. MS has been pumping that craptastic OS out for years and years, while Apple has been in the game a little over a year? Seriously. Did you expect that the Apple OS which runs on one device would have the same numbers as MS?

Now, if MS has so much money, and is so confident in is market share, why then are they so petty about Apple and not just take the high road and ignore them. Why have they worked so hard to publicly try and squash the open source community?

To those that think Apple is somehow mean for attacking MS, GET REAL. It’s called competition in a free market dumb@sses. I’m sure MS widdle feelings will survive a few jabs from the “underdog” It’s not like they don’t spend hundreds of millions trying to buy out or stomp out any kind of competition. They spent a fortune trying to convince the world that linux is crap. HA! Linux is crap at a free price tag but Vista is worth $400??? HAHAHA

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]]> By: JustMe http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312015 JustMe Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:05:40 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312015 @j3ff Apple's new ads never said Microsoft doesn't have the money to "fix vista." I'm pretty sure they are asking why they are spending $300 million on advertising and not to "fix vista." And why are you posting the mobile phone OS market share anyways? Noone said Apple is bigger than Microsoft, let alone even mention WinMo vs. iPhone. But to comment on these statistics... Windows Mobile (originally pocket pc) introduced: 2000 iPhone introduced: 2007 Current year: 2008 @j3ff
Apple’s new ads never said Microsoft doesn’t have the money to “fix vista.” I’m pretty sure they are asking why they are spending $300 million on advertising and not to “fix vista.” And why are you posting the mobile phone OS market share anyways? Noone said Apple is bigger than Microsoft, let alone even mention WinMo vs. iPhone. But to comment on these statistics…
Windows Mobile (originally pocket pc) introduced: 2000
iPhone introduced: 2007
Current year: 2008

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]]> By: Kent http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312002 Kent Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:22:52 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312002 LMAO Mircosoft really feeling it now with the apple ads saying vista needs more advertising than money for fixing it LMAO
Mircosoft really feeling it now with the apple ads saying vista needs more advertising than money for fixing it

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]]> By: RON http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-312001 RON Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:16:54 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-312001 If there's one of these windows cages in front of your local Apple store, take your Apple logos and paste them all over it. If there’s one of these windows cages in front of your local Apple store, take your Apple logos and paste them all over it.

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]]> By: j3ff http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/11/01/microsoft-hits-apple-on-their-own-turf/comment-page-3/#comment-311994 j3ff Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:52:13 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=7008#comment-311994 Microsoft profit from latest fiscal year: $17,681,000,000 Apple profit from latest fiscal year: $1,072,000,000 I love you Apple kids who think Microsoft doesn't have the money to "fix Vista" because they spend money on advertising. Oh wait there was an Apple commercial about that and you drank the kool-aid as usual. Let me add some more facts: Mobile Phone OS Market Share (as of 2Q 2008): 57.1% Symbian 17.4% Blackberry 12.0% Windows Mobile 7.3% Linux 2.8% iPhone You're not quite there yet boys. Microsoft profit from latest fiscal year: $17,681,000,000

Apple profit from latest fiscal year: $1,072,000,000

I love you Apple kids who think Microsoft doesn’t have the money to “fix Vista” because they spend money on advertising.

Oh wait there was an Apple commercial about that and you drank the kool-aid as usual.

Let me add some more facts:

Mobile Phone OS Market Share (as of 2Q 2008):
57.1% Symbian
17.4% Blackberry
12.0% Windows Mobile
7.3% Linux
2.8% iPhone

You’re not quite there yet boys.

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