AT&T to potential BlackBerry Storm customers: Storm sucks, iPhone rulez!
You definitely have to take this one at face value, but there’s an internal document floating around inside AT&T pitting the iPhone 3G against the upcoming BlackBerry Storm. We had our doubts about this document at first, but we received it from two independent sources now, so it’s legit! Here’s some of the smack-talking AT&T lays down:
- The Storm doesn’t have multi-touch
- There’s no Wi-Fi
- The Storm doesn’t have an App Store
- Stormy Storm doesn’t have tri-band HSDPA
- The browser sucks on the Storm
- No iTunes action (movies, music, etc.)
Yeah yeah, we know you can sync your BlackBerry with DRM-free music in iTunes so don’t get your panties in a bunch over that line. We think legitimate points so far, but the browser hasn’t been tested and tri-band HSDPA doesn’t matter if you’re not using the device on AT&T in the United States. Peanut gallery, you’re up!
Thanks, AT&T ninjas!
Apple didn’t originally sign with AT&T. They signed with Cingular. AT&T bought Cingular between the iPhone keynote and launch in 2007. To chime in on this board, everyone has their own wants and needs. There is no right or wrong answer here, just preferences. Until the Storm is launched and everyone interested has a chance to perform their own prizefight, wrangling over which phone is better is moot. VZW coverage is better in my area, but AT&T isn’t bad either. I just have never felt the iPhone has been the right device to fit my needs and a Blackberry (along with other dumb phones) have been better for me. I personally love the iPhone and the potential it has to fit my wants/needs. To me, the iPhone is an Ipod you can talk to, browse the web and get email. The Blackberry is an excellent phone/email device, which also plays music. I know I will be flamed for calling it a hopped up Ipod, but that is just my opinion.
I’ve had network/service issue with T-Mobile over the last last year. I am a full time BB user and currently own a Curve. It’s a great handset but in my frustration with T-Mobile decided I’ve had enough. I went to a local AT&T store purchased an iPhone and it took only two days to run back and return it.
The iPhone is no Blackberry, nor will it ever be. It’s trendy gadget for the trendy sector of our world…and I love trendy but when you have used a BB (I have for 4 yrs now) you can see through all the bells and whistles. Apple has created a kid toy, while RIM has the big people toy.
When I arrived back at the AT&T store the manager, who knew I was a BB fan, asked: “so you didn’t like the iPhone, did you?”
My answer: “I hate it.”
There are so many things my Curve does that an iPhone doesn’t.
How about cut and paste for one. A very simple but very useful feature!
I can go on but people who know their stuff when it comes to grown-up toys and kid’s toys are not sucked in by the “cool” features of an iPhone.
Even though RIM is trying to appeal to a broader market (flip Pearl, etc.), the real meat is in what RIM and BB ultimately does.
There’s no competition for my BB Curve.
I can assume RIM will do a great job with the Storm as it will be a RIM product.
Can’t go wrong with that!!
Comon Storm!
BGR, it appears you’ve dropped all pretenses of not being a Verizon/Blackberry hating Apple Fanboy.
Let’s get some things straight:
* Storm has the same browser as iPhone
* Storm has push email that actually works
* Storm DOES NOT have blocked GPS
* Verizon is debuting an Appp store with this device
* Yes non DRM iTunes works
* Storm has EVDO-REV A
Don’t just post this crap without confirming it. People take stuff you post as fact so you have a responsibilit to check the facts on stuff you post even if you didn’t write it.
^ Fact is … You’ve never laid eyes or hands upon a Storm, kid. Therefore, at best, you can only make ‘hopeful’ claims of performance.
Furthermore, of the claims you make, half of them are specific to the carrier, _not_ the phone, genius.
Of those 3 remaining:
-”push email that actually works”? It’s Blackberry! Duh!;
-”Storm has EVDO-RevA”. As specified by VZW. (You have no idea of hand-off performance until it’s released);
“Storm does not have blocked GPS”. Again, because it is not released, you do not know if ports are blocked or not (See Sprint’s Palm Treo 800).
GTFU, kid. It’s a phone. Not your reason for living.
Great comment by Evilhomer. I am tired of hearing people claim that the iPhone is crap because it doesn’t have MMS messaging or other trivial topics like that. Who cares. AT&T is not the best carrier, but that’s not the iPhone’s fault. There is a reason why people jump ship to get an iPhone. You won’t see that with the storm. Like I said earlier,
“People that have a BlackBerry like a physical keyboard. People that have an iPhone either don’t care about a physical keyboard, or are willing to forgo one to have a phone that “does it all.” The Storm will have everything that makes a BlackBerry great, but it’s not nearly as good as an iPhone (even I can admit it, and if you can’t you’re in denial), and it doesn’t have a physical keyboard (I’ve also heard that typing on the Storm is counterintuitive, but that’s not the point right now). The majority of people that have an iPhone aren’t affected by the shortcomings of MobileMe (inconsistent push email) because they just don’t use the phone for that purpose. Ultimately, the iPhone and BlackBerry’s cater to different crowds, and the neither the iPhone crowd nor the BlackBerry crowd is going to jump ship in large enough numbers to make this phone successful.”
@backbeat…For you to try and make an argument like this and question my IQ and/or age makes me think you’re probably like 2 years old or something because anyone above that age would not make such a skewed argument like the one you just attempted to make. Of course I was talking about in the phone market, which as clearly evident, refutes this idiotic attempt you just made at proving me wrong because the Apple Newton was a PDA, not a phone and if you do want to take it that far back then how about the EO Personal Communicator from AT&T, introduced the same year but months earlier (April and the Newton did not make its debut until CES of that year which was in June, that is if you are smart enough to know which month comes first).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EO_Personal_Communicator
And while we’re at it why don’t we take it even further back and just refer to the Elo Touch systems invented circa 1974. Maybe that will prove your point, but oh wait that, that still was not an apple invention. OBVIOUSLY I was talking about the presently and in regards to an all touch screen phone. If we look at it in that aspect then my argument is correct, since the LG Prada was introduced in December 2006 prior to the announcement of the iphone. Now that I’m done with your minute sense of reality I’ll move on to the person I was addressing to begin with before you dove head first into the shark tank your feeble mind could not get out of.
Evilhomer you seem like the smart one out of the two I am addressing here so I will refrain from name-calling. However, don’t make such simple minded arguments like you just attempting, saying why doesn’t Verizon has 3 times or twice as many customers. Did we all of a sudden forget that AT&T and Cingular are one company now, and if it wasn’t for the acquisition the cellular landscape would be significanly different? Also yes they are both good companies as you might want to refer to them as but like you mentioned before Verizon is THE NETWORK for a reason. You and I both know that whether AT&T is a good network or not, Verizon is far superior and you might be satisfied with how good AT&T works in your area but overall Verizon is better and faster, period. If this was not the case then Verizon would not come in first place in every poll and stats released for the past 4 or 5 years. This is not just with regards to JD Power’s poll but any other ever conducted by any source and you can be my guest and look that up but I think you already know this. And you can say that polls don’t count and whatnot but at the end of the day, men lie, women lie, numbers don’t. You and I’s opinions don’t matter when people look at the polls and stats because all they are seeing is who is in first place. That is like saying Al Gore won the popular vote so he should’ve been president. Well guess what, Bush won the votes that mattered (that bastard) and that is why he is in the white house destroying our economy as we speak.
@likeabite: I said “cognitive ability and emotional IQ”, genius. Look into it as it obviously shaved your skull the first time it flew over your pointed little head.
Re: The EO Communicator – Talk about a red-herring non-issue! It was never a consumer device! It was purely for industrial use and incidentally failed after less than a year after its introduction. A debut at CES doesn’t equate to jack, jackass.
Clearly, your self-serving, snide, saphomoronic attacks are the product of a well-centered, mature professional who is well-respected in the community. What a nano-joke you are.
You don’t like me? ( *sniffle* 
) I _couldn’t_ care less.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/cheney_misled_gop_leaders_new.html
http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2008/09/permanent-security-force-for-northcom.html
Backbeat at least you’re smart enough to support the right candidate. However, I do not know even know how you accomplished that feat again, with what you just stated about the EO. The Newton failed horribly as well so whether the AT&T was a failure is besides the point. I cannot have a personal grudge against someone over phones and wireless networks. The point still stands that if you want to go back to prehistoric times the touch screen was not Apple’s invention, nor where they the first to create the first all-touch screen phone so stop getting upset because I stated a fact.
This is not kingdergarten so do not catch feelings because we are having a friendly banter. What you want me to stop bullying you, is that it? Please don’t go crying home and telling on me. I don’t know if I would be able to live with myself, lol
^ The point that was originally made was regarding a converged consumer device which provided a GUI and its origin. If the low bar you’re only reaching for is a touchscreen, it’s not exactly the most appropriate reference to the ‘argument’ about the iPhone, but whateva. No one, I repeat, No one ever claimed that Apple invented the touchscreen. [*rolling eyes*]
“Bullying”? LOL! I’ll let you know when you start, kid.
^^^Hmm well I don’t know how you can tell me how the original point is, when in fact, I am the one who made it. And the original point, if it was a converged consumer device then that would be the Elo Touch systems like I previously mentioned, if you want to really want to use the term “origin”.
@Evilhomer
I’m sorry but where did you learn to read? You must think when people post it must be a mystical happening. I’m mean aside from your daily duty of washing Steve Jobs’ balls apparently it is also your task to try and single handedly save Apple’s reputation from themselves.
First of all I said in a nutshell if I had at&t or if the iPhone was available on Verizon I’d have one and my BlackBerry. Secondly why are you trying to tell me the features of the iPhone? Where is the cut and paste? Why is MobileMe such a joke? Why no picture messaging? What about using stereo bluetooth on a fricken MP3 player?! And all this 3G business. I guess I don’t feel your pain my Verizon BlackBerry has always been 3G. Next you’re going to argue Wifi. Sure it would be sweet if for some reason Verizon was having a bad day and I needed to connect then I still could. But do I need it? (No) Do I even care?(No) As far as GPS is concerned I have my bone to pick with Verizon about that, but it actually has nothing to do with RIM on that one so get your facts straight.
In your delusional world we should be thankful the cell phone even exists. If it weren’t for Apple nothing new would’ve ever been invented and thus the industry folds in on its self due to lack of innovation.
Wake up there buddy. In a non-fanboy view of both companies they both leave many MANY features to be desired. And they both copy each other heavily. The touch screen is not RIM’s game but the did it probably due to Apple (I’m not blind to that). And Apple’s MobileMe is a shot at RIM’s killer push email (which doesn’t suck).
Like I said cheers to competition. I hope someone sponsors you for that first grade reading class soon you need it. Chump.
@likeabite: I also qualified my statement. Your original point [which you now state was about the origin of touchscreen devices] was off-target where references to the iPhone are concerned.
Your reference to ELO, notwithstanding, is another red-herring as they were/are only a screen component mfr, _not_ a device mfr. Who produced GUI-based consumer devices which utilized their touchscreens and when is the only informed and intelligent question to be answered. Please tell me you’ve got more than just another half-baked reference?!
@backbeat: Well the original post was about me referencing the LG Prada, not the iphone. Seeing as how, they were the first to announce an all-touch screen phone then my point is proven. And with regards to the ELO, they are not a device manufacturer but you brought the Apple Newton back from the dead to say that before the LG Prada there was the Newton and I am stating that if that is the case then why don’t we go back to where touch screens began, in which case, would not be with Apple, but rather ELO
Too much arguing and bickering here…thus I ask myself: “why am I contributing?” Is that what I’m doing!
Anyway…
Answer: clues to when I can get my hands on the Storm or any other RIM device. I check in to see what you know. I hope you are hard at it so I can find out. I’m using you!
I was on a job this morning and noticed a business associate using her iPhone and the difficult time she was having typing on it. She was always a BB user so I don’t know if she actually likes the iPhone but it did seem as I watched how difficult typing was.
iPhone people have to admit, it’s not the easiest keyboard to use.
Bottom line – a Blackberry does one thing (or lots of things) for a segment of the population, while the iPhone does another.
The iPhone is way cool, but cool isn’t what it’s all about. I love to eat octopus while others can’t stomach it…and THAT’S OKAY!
@likeabite: Seeing as how a mfr announcement _also_ means nothing regarding ‘who was first’, your reference to LG has no foundation. We can agree that there are some basic aesthetic similarities between them, but the direction you’ll obviously refuse to go is that the Prada was a copycat of the iPhone. Stay with me here … Seeing that the iPhone required a complete operating system with long-range plans for international distribution on a very large scale, it is reasonable to conclude that it was much _easier, cheaper, and faster_ for the Prada to be developed in comparison to the iPhone. I do not agree with the premise of your argument, but to address it directly, it is equally arguable that the reverse of your claim is true, since there is nothing but speculation to form either foundation of which of the 2 was ‘first’, this is the very definition of a red-herring argument.
However, the fact remains that the GUI PDA was the creation of Apple in 1993 and the addition of a cell radio and modification of the OS is all that precluded it from being today’s converged device, just as the inclusion of a cell radio and OS modifications to PocketPCs was all necessary for them to be the origin of today’s converged devices. These are facts which are not in dispute, however much you or anyone else may not like them.
^If you read any posts about the debut of the iphone, almost everyone agreed with the notion that their release date of the phone stole the attention away from the LG Prada which was announced year and years before the iphone and was developed and presented to the public before the iphone as well. You can say but well Apple couldve started developing it first but just never announced it. Well just as in the same light as Apple releasing their product first and stealing the Thunder/Storm (pun intended) away from the LG Prada, LG has every right to say they were the first to come up with the all touch screen phone simply because they announced it first.
And you cannot rationalize the Newton anymore, it is dead so let it stay that way. The same argument you are making can be said for the AT&T EO as well, that the LG Prada originated from that and not from the Newton, which came later.
@likeabite: Since you’re fully aware that Apple does not do “announcements” in the way that you would deem ‘convenient’ to your argument, your point is illegitimate. Your claim of “everyone agreed” is another pointless, unsustainable claim. You may as cry out at the top of your lungs “The sky is white! The sky is white, damnit!”
Your refusal to consider any possibility other than that which fits your selective, simplistic linear (and unfoundedly ‘creative’) logic is duly noted. Historical facts be damned. Try to focus, would ya? How many times has it been stated that we’re talking about the realm of consumer PDAs. The EO has been previously identified as yet another red-herring (which by now smells mightly). Oh yeeaah … That’s right, I forgot. That just doesn’t suit the aforementioned linear logic.
I’m definitely not an Apple fanboy, but just got my an iPhone 3 weeks ago. (my first) I had a Windows Mobile 5 phone before that. I’ll be the first to admit that typing is not as quick, but fine for the amount of typing I do on it. I’m not using Mobile Me (I understand issues have now been resolved) but do have it synced up to my Exchange account with my 100K+ employee corporation.
My take? It just works. My Windows Mobile device did most of what the iPhone does (sans GPS) but the iPhone just does it very well. It’s not about the features; it’s about how it all works together. I actually enjoy using it, whether for business or pleasure.
And I welcome all the new phones coming out now. Competition is good for consumers, no matter their preference.
@EvilTroller errr sorry Homer
With that logic, why would you need 3G on any phone then if you advocate only using your laptop or PC for web browsing? If you don’t see the point in wifi, you probably don’t see the point in broadband either. Still using that AOL dial up, eh?
You sir are a FÜCKIN IDIOT! 3G is also used to improve the voice quality not just browser this form all day waiting for people to post comments about AT&T and Apple only to bash them for their opinions. Here educate yourself…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
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@Backbeat
You know nothing about computers buddy sorry to tell you. Microsoft might have stole the GUI from Apple when Bill was working under them to create programs for them. However, Apple STOLE the GUI from Xerox. All you people think you know about the world of computing cause you have an iPhone in your hands know about as much as my… DOG. Here go educate yourself some…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox
@glitch: Kindly quote me a stating that Apple _invented_ the GUI, clown, which is the sole point of your attack. Go for it! You’re less than a dime-a-million trolling dolt. Back to your hole.
Haha I love how they say that ATT has high speed networks everywhere but yet their 3G still is much slower than sprint and Verizon. Interesting point but I dont believe it.
Okay, let me say this first: I’ve had 3 blackberrys, 4 HTC phones, a few Motorola phones, an Iphone, and (unfortunately) a few LG phones. I’ve had Verizon, At&t, Cingular (better than anything), Nextel, T-Mobile (yuck), and Alltel.
I can honestly say that yes, the iphone is amazing for online surfing. It’s good at pull email. It’s consistant when you have a decent email service that updates their email within 30ms server ping.
The Blackberry is AMAZING for email push. I’ve recieved all of my emails instantly. This is only good for a business class people.
Wi-Fi is a good thing to have idiots! Okay, as for Verizon and At&t…YOU DO NOT HAVE 3G SERVICE ALL THE TIME!!! and even if you did, you would only be getting about 18-20Mbps tops. It’s rated for 30, but it never gets that high. Wi-Fi makes it to where you get almost 50Mbps on you PHONE. Think about if you DIDN’T have your laptop you morons! I’d rather tap into Wi-Fi and have a fast reliable connection speed OVER any mobile connect internet.
As for touchscreen – I like it for some things, but for texting, I’d rather have a physical keyboard as in the HTC 8925 (If you can stand WM6.1).
This blackberry is going to be a fallout I think. Most people buy a blackberry for emailing and what easier way to email than having a physical keyboard.
Just thought i’d let all you inexperienced gurus know about all of this.
Have a nice day!
As an ex-WinMO guy, I would say the -X to close the app.
…boy idiot should be thie dudes name. The Storm will feature multi-touch, will feature WiFi, will feature a free app store… and I really don’t think they are complaining about no iTunes… because the Storm will accept .mpeg, .3gp, .wmv, plus other video formats that can easily be transfered from a desktop, or a digital copy direct from a dvd. Plus let us not forget about the Storm’s features that the iPhone cannot touch… like its 3.2mp camera with AUTO FOCUS (first camera phone to have it) and facial recognition. Or the fact it has intelli-touch which offeres icons the ability to preform diffect tasks based on the touch of the human finger…. yeah, sounds really inferior to the crappy iPhone. The real conclusion is that ATT bought a hundred million-trillion units of iPhones expecting to put a iPhone in each users hands (which boosts services fees as the iPhone REQUIRES you to have premium media package whereas storm does not) and they’ve met there match early… There is a storm coming everything iLand…. and its death wish comes from a berry… a Blackberry.