Comments on: Nokia Internet Tablet to get speed boost and 3G http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:30:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gregorsamsa http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279924 Gregorsamsa Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:35:33 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279924 What you're saying is like someone who has an old iPod photo complaining that Apple has abandoned you when they launched the iPod video. The new toy can play video and yours can't. Life is unfair. Boo-hoo. Grow a pair and man up, will you? What you’re saying is like someone who has an old iPod photo complaining that Apple has abandoned you when they launched the iPod video. The new toy can play video and yours can’t. Life is unfair. Boo-hoo.

Grow a pair and man up, will you?

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]]> By: Michael Jones http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279279 Michael Jones Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:30:06 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279279 >>Sez Blob: The 770 was around for well over a year before the N800, based on much inferior hardware and always meant to be an experimental device. --------------------- Sez Me: I'm sorry, I didn't see that on the product packaging when I bought it: "WARNING: CONTAINS INFERIOR HARDWARE. Note: This device is experimental; a prototype. Buyer beware. It will never be able to display YouTube videos or Windows Media Videos". --------------------- >>Sez Blob: It’s not like Nokia promised everlasting support or your 770 just stopped working as soon as the N800 became available - it continued to do exactly what it was advertised for. --------------------- Sez Me: I did not say that Nokia promised everlasting support. There was no promise of any support, and there was no support given either. That was their choice. Likewise, as a buyer, I have a choice as well. And remember that Nokia doesn't just make internet tablets, they also make cell phones. Q: What type of cell phones did my wife and I always buy? A: Nokia. We have had 6 Nokia phones, but after this experience, I was not pleased with Nokia. You seem passionate about the Internet Tablet. I wonder: Did you ever have a 770? Or were you one of the smart people that bought the 8xx series model? Would you buy a 770 now? Heck no, because you know better. I have to compare this to the Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer software. Does it run YouTube? Yes. Does it run WMV's? Yes. How is this possible? Well, Microsoft updated the IE software. Nokia has the knowledge to update the OS to do these things, but there is no money in it for them. Fine. That is their choice. This is similar to the Apple Newton, which I also bought, which was also similarly abandoned by the manufacturer. I know that 'stuff happens' - I am not an idiot. --------------------- >>Sez Blob: Why do you think you have the RIGHT to get more out of a device than what was promised to you in the first place? --------------------- Sez Me: I have no RIGHTs, and there was no promise made. I foolishly bought an internet tablet, thinking it would work on the internet. Stupid me. I didn't realize that the "fine print" was that it would only display HTML webpages, built on year 2005 standards. Yes, the internet has changed, and it will continue to change. The fact is that I have learned my lesson, and I think people need to understand that Nokia controls the OS and if they want to stop updating the OS, they can and will. If Microsoft wants to stop updating their browser, and it falls behind, that is their choice as well. They have not abandoned their browser. __________________________________________________________________ >>Sez kelly: they probably decided you N700 owners weren’t important enough to warrant the time and effort it would have taken to adapt the current OS for the older and much different hardware. --------------------- Sez Me: This is exactly what happened. Like I said, I was foolish, buying a prototype device. Mea culpa. I don't want other people to be fooled like me. __________________________________________________________________ >>Sez Blue: ... While it’s true that nokia sort of ditched the 770, ... --------------------- Sez Me: Yes, this we know to be true. --------------------- >>Sez Blue: ...the community has remained active, and most functionality available to the 800/810 series has been backported. And my experience with the n800 has been the exact opposite: long term dedication to the platform and community, regular firmware updates which not only fix bugs but enable a ton of new functionality. Maemo 5 is also going to support the n800, which any other company would call a legacy platform. The n800 paired with a bluetooth keyboard has essentially replaced my laptop in a huge portion of situations. The development community is fantastic; there aren’t many programs I can imagine benig useful that haven’t already been ported. There aren’t many purchases I’ve been as pleased with as this tablet, even a year and a half later. --------------------- Sez Me: See, you are much smarter than me. I wish I had waited and bought an 8xx series device. But I didn't. That stuff sounds great! >>Sez Blob: The 770 was around for well over a year before the N800, based on much inferior hardware and always meant to be an experimental device.

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Sez Me: I’m sorry, I didn’t see that on the product packaging when I bought it:
“WARNING: CONTAINS INFERIOR HARDWARE. Note: This device is experimental; a prototype. Buyer beware. It will never be able to display YouTube videos or Windows Media Videos”.

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>>Sez Blob: It’s not like Nokia promised everlasting support or your 770 just stopped working as soon as the N800 became available – it continued to do exactly what it was advertised for.

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Sez Me: I did not say that Nokia promised everlasting support. There was no promise of any support, and there was no support given either. That was their choice. Likewise, as a buyer, I have a choice as well.
And remember that Nokia doesn’t just make internet tablets, they also make cell phones. Q: What type of cell phones did my wife and I always buy? A: Nokia. We have had 6 Nokia phones, but after this experience, I was not pleased with Nokia.

You seem passionate about the Internet Tablet. I wonder: Did you ever have a 770? Or were you one of the smart people that bought the 8xx series model? Would you buy a 770 now? Heck no, because you know better.

I have to compare this to the Microsoft Windows Internet Explorer software. Does it run YouTube? Yes. Does it run WMV’s? Yes. How is this possible? Well, Microsoft updated the IE software. Nokia has the knowledge to update the OS to do these things, but there is no money in it for them. Fine. That is their choice.

This is similar to the Apple Newton, which I also bought, which was also similarly abandoned by the manufacturer. I know that ’stuff happens’ – I am not an idiot.

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>>Sez Blob: Why do you think you have the RIGHT to get more out of a device than what was promised to you in the first place?

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Sez Me: I have no RIGHTs, and there was no promise made. I foolishly bought an internet tablet, thinking it would work on the internet. Stupid me. I didn’t realize that the “fine print” was that it would only display HTML webpages, built on year 2005 standards.

Yes, the internet has changed, and it will continue to change. The fact is that I have learned my lesson, and I think people need to understand that Nokia controls the OS and if they want to stop updating the OS, they can and will. If Microsoft wants to stop updating their browser, and it falls behind, that is their choice as well. They have not abandoned their browser.

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>>Sez kelly: they probably decided you N700 owners weren’t important enough to warrant the time and effort it would have taken to adapt the current OS for the older and much different hardware.

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Sez Me: This is exactly what happened. Like I said, I was foolish, buying a prototype device. Mea culpa. I don’t want other people to be fooled like me.

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>>Sez Blue: … While it’s true that nokia sort of ditched the 770, …

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Sez Me: Yes, this we know to be true.

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>>Sez Blue: …the community has remained active, and most functionality available to the 800/810 series has been backported. And my experience with the n800 has been the exact opposite: long term dedication to the platform and community, regular firmware updates which not only fix bugs but enable a ton of new functionality. Maemo 5 is also going to support the n800, which any other company would call a legacy platform.

The n800 paired with a bluetooth keyboard has essentially replaced my laptop in a huge portion of situations. The development community is fantastic; there aren’t many programs I can imagine benig useful that haven’t already been ported. There aren’t many purchases I’ve been as pleased with as this tablet, even a year and a half later.

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Sez Me: See, you are much smarter than me. I wish I had waited and bought an 8xx series device. But I didn’t. That stuff sounds great!

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]]> By: blue http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279240 blue Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:00:05 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279240 @Michael Jones: <blockquote>I am open to any discussion on this topic; I am right about this, believe me.</blockquote>Kind of a contradiction, isn't it? While it's true that nokia sort of ditched the 770, the community has remained active, and most functionality available to the 800/810 series has been backported. And my experience with the n800 has been the exact opposite: long term dedication to the platform and community, regular firmware updates which not only fix bugs but enable a ton of new functionality. Maemo 5 is also going to support the n800, which any other company would call a legacy platform. The n800 paired with a bluetooth keyboard has essentially replaced my laptop in a huge portion of situations. The development community is fantastic; there aren't many programs I can imagine benig useful that haven't already been ported. There aren't many purchases I've been as pleased with as this tablet, even a year and a half later. @Michael Jones:

I am open to any discussion on this topic; I am right about this, believe me.

Kind of a contradiction, isn’t it? While it’s true that nokia sort of ditched the 770, the community has remained active, and most functionality available to the 800/810 series has been backported. And my experience with the n800 has been the exact opposite: long term dedication to the platform and community, regular firmware updates which not only fix bugs but enable a ton of new functionality. Maemo 5 is also going to support the n800, which any other company would call a legacy platform.

The n800 paired with a bluetooth keyboard has essentially replaced my laptop in a huge portion of situations. The development community is fantastic; there aren’t many programs I can imagine benig useful that haven’t already been ported. There aren’t many purchases I’ve been as pleased with as this tablet, even a year and a half later.

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]]> By: kelly http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279202 kelly Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:56:53 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279202 they probably dropped support of the n770 because it is very different from the N800 and N810. The N810 and N800 share the same basic architecture. The N810 under the hood is basically an N800 with GPS, a keyboard, and a redesigned case. I am not defending Nokia in any way, just giving a reason as to why they let the N770 fall by the wayside. they probably decided you N700 owners weren't important enough to warrant the time and effort it would have taken to adapt the current OS for the older and much different hardware. they probably dropped support of the n770 because it is very different from the N800 and N810. The N810 and N800 share the same basic architecture. The N810 under the hood is basically an N800 with GPS, a keyboard, and a redesigned case.

I am not defending Nokia in any way, just giving a reason as to why they let the N770 fall by the wayside. they probably decided you N700 owners weren’t important enough to warrant the time and effort it would have taken to adapt the current OS for the older and much different hardware.

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]]> By: Blob http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279190 Blob Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:44:32 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279190 The 770 was around for well over a year before the N800, based on much inferior hardware and always meant to be an experimental device. It's not like Nokia promised everlasting support or your 770 just stopped working as soon as the N800 became available - it continued to do exactly what it was advertised for. Why do you think you have the RIGHT to get more out of a device than what was promised to you in the first place? The 770 was around for well over a year before the N800, based on much inferior hardware and always meant to be an experimental device.

It’s not like Nokia promised everlasting support or your 770 just stopped working as soon as the N800 became available – it continued to do exactly what it was advertised for. Why do you think you have the RIGHT to get more out of a device than what was promised to you in the first place?

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]]> By: Michael Jones http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/17/nokia-internet-tablet-to-get-speed-boost-and-3g/comment-page-1/#comment-279183 Michael Jones Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:35:05 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/?p=5267#comment-279183 Oh, Nokia, eh? Expect to be left behind. What do I mean? Well, a few years ago, I bought a Nokia N770 Internet Tablet. It works fine, but almost as soon as I bought it, they released another tablet (800), and then another (810) and now they are talking about a 900 version. Problem? Well, as soon as they got into the 800 series, they dropped the 770 folks, like me. No more OS updates, and it could certainly use one. For example, you cannot view certain types of media, e.g., most Flash and WMV, and you will never be able to view them. This includes many sites like YouTube and Break; you just can't use them, if they don't update the OS. Which they won't do. So the people who buy this device you speak of will regret it. Avoid the regret and don't buy it. Sorry, Nokia, but this is a story I have told you before, and nobody listened to me, then. I am open to any discussion on this topic; I am right about this, believe me. Oh, Nokia, eh? Expect to be left behind.

What do I mean? Well, a few years ago, I bought a Nokia N770 Internet Tablet. It works fine, but almost as soon as I bought it, they released another tablet (800), and then another (810) and now they are talking about a 900 version.

Problem? Well, as soon as they got into the 800 series, they dropped the 770 folks, like me. No more OS updates, and it could certainly use one.

For example, you cannot view certain types of media, e.g., most Flash and WMV, and you will never be able to view them. This includes many sites like YouTube and Break; you just can’t use them, if they don’t update the OS. Which they won’t do.

So the people who buy this device you speak of will regret it. Avoid the regret and don’t buy it. Sorry, Nokia, but this is a story I have told you before, and nobody listened to me, then.

I am open to any discussion on this topic; I am right about this, believe me.

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