I’m not saying this from experience at all.

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Right.

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This sounds like the kind of thing a bank would do when it’s performing well, not in this environment.

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All right, first of all, we are talking about HSBC, one of the largest banks in the world, they are not going to go to “second best” when security is at stake, sorry but no. They are probably doing a CBA because one of their high up execs likes the iphone and wants to know if it will work.

Secondly, you don’t seem to understand how BES works. You say BES doesn’t have a clean way of communicating. It communicates through server strength MAPI, which if you were not aware is actually the Microsoft method (Microsoft API). This API is used to communicate to Exchange for an Outlook Client, or for Exchange System Manager (other exchange servers), and to be completely fair, and enterprise solution (other than IMAP) that Apple may introduce will likely use this as well.

Thirdly, BES does not “poll” the mail server like an over-eager user clicking send and receive every 5 seconds, it waits for UDP notifications from Exchange and then initiates a MAPI session to pull that message from the mailbox.

Hopefully that clarifies things.

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Actually BES licensing and support fees are ANNUAL expenses, so no, the major outlay would not already have been made. It’s ongoing.

There are also additional expenses to factor in as well. A lot of big companies have to employ specific personnel to manage a BES, so you’ve got the ongoing expenses for them as well.

Additionally, did you know many large companies actually have to purchase and manage multiple Exchange servers. Why? Because RIM’s BES does not have a clean method for communicating with Exchange, it places a much bigger burden on the server, and in large (1000+ user) environments it becomes necessary to run several. RIM’s BES basically sits there and keeps asking an Exchange server:

“Any new email? Any new email? Any new email? Hey, Hey, Hey Any new email now? What about now? And now?…”

I agree that there are pros and cons, but it is certainly not as clear but as BlackBerry fanboy morons like Jeff Rago would have you believe.

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If they’re already using Blackberry, they’ve already got the infrastructure set up, so the cost to continue using it moving forward would be considerably lower than purchasing a batch of new iPhones and possibly re-training employees (you can argue that the iPhone may be an easy interface to learn/use, but every company has a few employees that ride the short bus and will balk at the change). Furthermore, once their security people have time to do their analysis, they’ll likely elect to stay with the Blackberry.

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In any case the crucial point when comparing the two devices for a business of this type is not even just the push email where rim is clearly superior, it is the level of controls and restrictions that a company’s bes admin can impose to maintain the high levels of security required by something like a bank.

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there is no encryption and therirs no Banking aplets in the apps store.

Rim for the time being has the mobile infastructure B 0f A has a mobile site for BB’s ect Even E_trade has an applet for BB dose the iphone NOPE> and tha fact that the original required you to input you SSN with to run the credit check to activate dosn’t sound promissing.

Rim has to do 2 things here

3 sop playing the fracking DELAY game like sony did with the PS3

put out a less cumbersome API SDK and simulator an really embrace this developers conference get the developer comunity on your side.

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You sound like a BlackBerry fanboy moron. You didn’t even attempt to counter my point that perhaps HSBC would go with the iPhone because it would end up cheaper for them.

In fact, all you said was “Yes, RIM is expensive, but they are the best at what they do”

You know, maybe HSBC is willing to settle for second-best at the enterprise level if it means they don’t have to pay the large per-user BES licensing fees in addition to RIM’s expensive tiered support.

Stop playing the idiot “iPhone is a toy” line and put up some facts, or shut the hell up.

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- Ability to control what apps go on the phone? Oh wait nope no admin control

- Ability to push software to the phone over the air? Nope not yet

I’m not saying that the iPhone won’t eventually have them, but to say Robust Enterprise features is almost hyperbole. It has a superior web browser and the app store which from an enterprise perspective may be a nightmare.

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Can you please repost your comment. It came through garbled. It appears as though said “RIM has priced themselves out of the market at the enterprise level”. I know it’s crazy, I know you wouldn’t say that, so please tell us what you were really trying to say. Thanks.

And if you really did mean to say that, please remove yourself from the Internet. You know not what you speak. At the very least, please refrain from commenting about stuff you have no idea about. You are obviously not a BES administrator or IT manager, and if you are, you’re an idiot for not knowing better. Yes, RIM is expensive, but they are the best at what they do. The iPhone is super cool, but that’s it. It can not hold a candle to RIM in an enterprise environment. ESPECIALLY with large financial institutions. So again, you’re a clown.

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Might see other companies making the switch purely because RIM has priced themselves out of the market at the enterprise level.

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