Comments on: Nokia Email Growing Up, Enters Beta Labs Tomorrow

By: Freshly Ground

Freshly Ground — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:45:01 +0000

Downloaded the app yesterday on to my E90, it works like a charm. There is a bit of a delay in the pushing of mail. Looks great, is easy to use . Pity we’re going to have to end up paying…

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:47:30 +0000

Look, I never said it was perfect. It’s obvious that implementing HTML email in the way S60 does is ineffective since a majority of its users have no idea it even exists. There’s plenty of people that give two shits about threaded messaging and reading HTML email altogether. That’s the beauty of S60 though; if you don’t like it, install something else. LCG has had the HTML email game down for years now and there’s several solutions for threaded SMS.

I won’t engage in argument if you’re only going to throw names around.

By: Kula bácsi

Kula bácsi — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:51:04 +0000

JonnyBruha is a dumbass Nokia apologist, everybody else knows that Messages is a piece of shit.

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:29:57 +0000

Well, I suppose if you don’t want to open the
link, then you don’t get your HTML, lol. You not wanting to open that link doesn’t mean it’s not supported.

If your argument is efficiency, I think others will agree with me when I say that there is a very rare occasion that someone absolutely NEEDS to open an HTML email. 99% of the messages I receive (and 100% of what I send) is text only. In that rare occasion I’m half interested in the newsletter that some random website sent me in HTML format, I’d much rather go through the additional steps to view it rather than half to wait for my phone to load the message by default.

By: Zach Epstein

Zach Epstein — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:42:39 +0000

I hear what you’re saying Jonny but it’s not a logical argument. Technology is about efficiency and having an email client that doesn’t support HTML is inefficient. What if you don’t want to open a link? What if you just want to read a properly formatted email? What do you need three extra steps to do that?

Other more modern email clients work properly. Open an HTML email and you see an HTML email.

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:24:04 +0000

It may be a few additional steps, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t support it. Since the whole point of HTML email is to interact with the content in the message anyway, it makes complete sense to open a browser window to display the message. Then it’s one less step when you click on any of the links in the message.

By: Zach Epstein

Zach Epstein — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:19:16 +0000

Jonny,

No, the S60 email client does not support HTML. It parses HTML emails and displays text only.

It does provide the original message as an attachment that it will open (in the S60 Browser) if you choose but it’s 2008. Why should there be three extra steps to view a simple email? Five extra steps actually, if you include backing out of the email.

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:11:27 +0000

For the last bloody time, the default S60 email client already supports HTML.

http://thoughtsons60.com/2008/06/05/open-the-damn-attachment/

By: backbeat

backbeat — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:20:46 +0000

How ironic that Galvatron ignorantly speaks of that which he does not know … Intellectual property.

By: Galvatron

Galvatron — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:39:46 +0000

lol Nokia dosn’t wanna bow down to Rim is it me or is evey other manufatur trying to make their own mail service to TRY to compete with RIM’s services hmm just a matter of time before the patent trolls start a legal showdown again

By: Greg

Greg — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:15:59 +0000

nokia needs to add spell check, ala blackberry.

also, i have been looking at every s60 email to run on my new e71 and everything is awful.

market opportunity?

By: Fizy

Fizy — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:09:26 +0000

I actually think that this is a great service. Perhaps the best surprise with it is that not only is it functional, but it actually has a nice interface. I have been using the nokia bluetooth keyboard and it is perfect for email. The current lack of MS Word support is the one thing that has kept an iphone out of my pocket. I have also thought about getting the BB Bold. This program if it is priced right might keep me hanging on the my N95 at least long enough to see if the Nokia Tube changes its clothes and improves its interface.

By: Theory28

Theory28 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:54:12 +0000

digging around in the help section of the beta apps seems to give a away a few features not made official yet (taken from part 10/17 in the help section of the nokia email app)

“About What to sync”

“On the What to sync screen, you can choose what you want to synchronize. Scroll to any of the following fields and select Options>Change to enable or disable snychornization of that item.”
- Inbox
- Drafts
- Sent items
- Calender
- Contacts
- Tasks
- Notes
- Files
- Backup – for backup publication synchronization
- Travel info

…. whether it will still be there on launch and how much it will be however, who knows?

By: bostonirishguy13

bostonirishguy13 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:08:34 +0000

I use both Nokia Email and Seven. They work fine with my work email, and Seven has calendar and contact sync. This is via OWA.

By: Zach Epstein

Zach Epstein — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:42:57 +0000

Todd, SEVEN is great and I typically use it for all of my accounts, but they recently announced that their beta server is completely hosed and it’s going to take a while to upgrade. Seems like the only account that works right now is my OWA – gmail and four more accounts are basically dead in the water. I’m currently pulling a little all-Nokia experiment with Mail for Exchange, Nokia Email for gmail and the standard client for two IMAP accounts. Should be interesting – if anything might be able to destroy an E71 battery it will be three always-on Nokia email clients!

All that said, it becomes pretty obvious why BB is the king for email. I’m running three separate always-on apps right now… Just to get my email.

By: Todd

Todd — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:24:56 +0000

Zach,

I do currently have SEVEN and Nokia Email installed. Testing both! I’ve been using Blackberry for a while now (have BES on my server with SEVEN EE…). I like the instant push from SEVEN but like the interface in the new Nokia Email app and actually wait for the emails to drop in via Nokia to reply.

Todd

By: Zach Epstein

Zach Epstein — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:09:45 +0000

Macs, Nokia has a long (as in loooooooong) way to go with its enterprise email solutions. Mail for Exchange just doesn’t cut it. Look at Todd’s comment above for example. What does he do with Lotus Notes/Domino? Considering Nokia recently ended the BB Connect agreement, I have to assume that they’ve got something cooking but it had better be miles beyond the current Mail for Exchange offering if they hope to have a crack at the US enterprise market.

Nokia Email is not that solution however. It is geared 100% towards personal use and is not intended to be an all-inclusive solution.

And Todd, you might want to check out the SEVEN beta (community.seven.com) and Emoze. I’m not certain but I believe they each support Lotus Notes.

By: backbeat

backbeat — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:59:17 +0000

@GalvaDick: Is that anything like Kuwait slant-drilling 300,000 Barrels of crude per day from Iraq’s oilfields just prior to the ‘91 US invasion?

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/harak.html

By: timberline12k

timberline12k — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:58:08 +0000

Could you help compare features between the Nokia e71 and Blackberry Bold? Is one better for different needs? For example, User A does not need a data plan and primary usage is phone calls (best reception), texting and occasionally WiFi Internet usage and User B is a heavy email and web browser requiring constant 3g access.

By: JR

JR — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:53:48 +0000

Great! Now add back BB connect so business people have an alternative to a BB device. Oh yeah, you don’t care.

By: Macs

Macs — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:53:37 +0000

especially having in mind nokia droped bb support

By: Yieeman

Yieeman — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:48:20 +0000

I am glad that they are coming out with something “better”, especially after restarting my N95 three times today to reconnect to mailboxes. However, shouldn’t this be a free app? It seems ridiculous to have to pay to have acceptable email support on phones that cost so much to begin with and are being touted as some the most advanced phones in the world. No?

By: Macs

Macs — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:48:17 +0000

@zach: yep i know that. but there is no reason for not using mfe for personal email. monthly provider fee for an account here in europe (don’t know for the us) is a joke. it is 5 euros or so.

having only one always up to date adress book, email and calendar on phone, web and pc is just a fine thing. if this new service is going to provide all this, i guess it is the right way but if it is emailonly this would be a bit “thin”.

By: Todd

Todd — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:48:12 +0000

Any word on a corporate solution?
I’ve been using the Nokia Email for a few days and it is much better than the built in messaging app. Now just to make it work with my Lotus Notes/Domino server with instant push instead of waiting 15 minutes for emails…

Todd

By: Galvatron

Galvatron — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:47:52 +0000

zack cutt th cut the NYtimes attiude. theat paper is dying because of slant reporting an the editor has bias

By: backbeat

backbeat — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:38:33 +0000

@Zach: “The service itself has a long way to go but it’ll get there if you’re patient.”

How long have you been playing with the Alpha? Otherwise, how can you make this statement?

@Demik1020: Do you seriously believe that you’re _not_ already paying “to use email on a high end phone”?

By: Zach Epstein

Zach Epstein — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:38:24 +0000

Macs, release-version features are still unknown. “why not use mail for exchange” – this is a service for personal email. It will support multiple POP/IMAP accounts from various ISPs. Mail for Exchange is a completely different beast.

Demik1020, no. S60 handsets will still ship with the existing email client which of course is free. Nokia Email will allegedly feature additional value-adds that will help warrant the added cost. Will it be worth it? Of course we won’t know until we see what Nokia has planned…

By: Demik1020

Demik1020 — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:30:47 +0000

So i would need to pay a monthly fee in 2008 to use email on a high end phone?

A phone priced at $400 +/-

By: Macs

Macs — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:20:29 +0000

is it email synch only? no calendar, no adress book etc.?

why not use mail for exchange or use a bb?

if this is going to be a pay-service for nokia, why should someone use this when he could have cheap exchange hosting?

By: Tyler Brock

Tyler Brock — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:54:22 +0000

Darn, wish nokia would just give up and start making blackberry bolds so i could buy some.