Comments on: Jobs Says Adobe’s Mobile Flash Player is for the Birds http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:19:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: loyd http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-132496 loyd Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:22:19 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-132496 Wow Jobs is a jerk for not allowing those crap flash based ads on my iPod. Because it isn't cool unless you have all the unnecessary blinking and slowness. Wow Jobs is a jerk for not allowing those crap flash based ads on my iPod. Because it isn’t cool unless you have all the unnecessary blinking and slowness.

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]]> By: Daniel Goldman http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-131274 Daniel Goldman Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:57:21 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-131274 The question is whether Apple will look to SVG as an alternative for Flash. SVG is lightweight, open standard, and is already supported by Firefox, Opera, and Safari. I've speculated about this <a href="http://operawatch.com/news/2008/03/is-apple-looking-to-svg-as-a-flash-replacement-for-the-iphone.html" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a>. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. Daniel Opera Software The question is whether Apple will look to SVG as an alternative for Flash. SVG is lightweight, open standard, and is already supported by Firefox, Opera, and Safari.

I’ve speculated about this on my blog. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

Daniel
Opera Software

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]]> By: Eric http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-130480 Eric Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:55:59 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-130480 Well, people obviously don't read much, because not only is Apple and Adobe's relationship steady and solid, they accept each other's differences. Adobe makes almost half of their revenue from Apple. So they are hardly going to cut their nose of to spite their face. The controversy is all made up by bored tech journalists too lazy to get their facts right (I'm not talking specifically about BGR, their main beat isn't this area of tech), or simply making up controversy to add some excitement to their stories. Apple doesn't support for one simple reason. They want Quicktime to be the default media streaming technology. They almost have Hollywood wrapped up and music as well through iTunes. Blu-ray is based on Quicktime (h.264) and lots of other streaming codecs are Quicktime based. Why would they want to help Adobe establish Flash as the default standard when they have their own, better standard to push? As for the Flash player being too much for the iPhone, it's hard to tell how true that is, or whether that's just what the engineers told Jobs. I suspect that there are all sorts of reasons why it might be true. And anyone comparing other mobile phones to the iPhone forget that they don't run on an operating system like OS X. Apple no doubt is still working on optimizations. So who knows what will be true a year from now that isn't true now? Pundits certainly don't have a good track record, neither do tech blogs. Well, people obviously don’t read much, because not only is Apple and Adobe’s relationship steady and solid, they accept each other’s differences. Adobe makes almost half of their revenue from Apple. So they are hardly going to cut their nose of to spite their face. The controversy is all made up by bored tech journalists too lazy to get their facts right (I’m not talking specifically about BGR, their main beat isn’t this area of tech), or simply making up controversy to add some excitement to their stories.

Apple doesn’t support for one simple reason. They want Quicktime to be the default media streaming technology. They almost have Hollywood wrapped up and music as well through iTunes. Blu-ray is based on Quicktime (h.264) and lots of other streaming codecs are Quicktime based. Why would they want to help Adobe establish Flash as the default standard when they have their own, better standard to push?

As for the Flash player being too much for the iPhone, it’s hard to tell how true that is, or whether that’s just what the engineers told Jobs. I suspect that there are all sorts of reasons why it might be true.

And anyone comparing other mobile phones to the iPhone forget that they don’t run on an operating system like OS X. Apple no doubt is still working on optimizations. So who knows what will be true a year from now that isn’t true now? Pundits certainly don’t have a good track record, neither do tech blogs.

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]]> By: James http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-130395 James Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:07:06 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-130395 Flash is not good for mobiles? ....SkyFire *Cough Cough* Flash is not good for mobiles? ….SkyFire *Cough Cough*

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]]> By: Jeff B. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-130023 Jeff B. Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:50:31 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-130023 @Luca The hell's that gotta do with it? @Luca
The hell’s that gotta do with it?

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]]> By: David http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-130020 David Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:47:27 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-130020 Jobs you suck Jobs you suck

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]]> By: secretasianman http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129867 secretasianman Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:14:33 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129867 @NuShrike "It is good to refuse to bow to fat, restricted, proprietary technology that allows lazy companies to take kitchen-sink approach to this problem space instead of technologically superior and standards compliant alternatives." Hey.. that describes the iPhone and iPod Touch! So far they are both COMPLETELY closed devices out of the box and unhacked. So what if Apple is releasing an SDK... big deal if the apps are installable only via iTunes AND Apple wants them all to be Apple certified. Prepared to pay a little fee with that? Reminds me of the silly way MS Xbox Live downloadable contents work. They have to be certified by MS and cost a minimal amount. Hmmm... Apple does indeed = Microsoft. @NuShrike

“It is good to refuse to bow to fat, restricted, proprietary technology that allows lazy companies to take kitchen-sink approach to this problem space instead of technologically superior and standards compliant alternatives.”

Hey.. that describes the iPhone and iPod Touch! So far they are both COMPLETELY closed devices out of the box and unhacked.

So what if Apple is releasing an SDK… big deal if the apps are installable only via iTunes AND Apple wants them all to be Apple certified. Prepared to pay a little fee with that?
Reminds me of the silly way MS Xbox Live downloadable contents work. They have to be certified by MS and cost a minimal amount. Hmmm… Apple does indeed = Microsoft.

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]]> By: MarxAnth http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129825 MarxAnth Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:21:27 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129825 Head over to appleinsider, there is a very interesting article that explains why there is no flash on the iPhone. Head over to appleinsider, there is a very interesting article that explains why there is no flash on the iPhone.

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]]> By: Luca http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129767 Luca Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:19:11 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129767 @Jeff B. BGR named the article 'Flash for the Birds.' @Galvatron. You are an idiot. Apple not a software company? My way or the highway? So Microsoft if better? Oh wait then started buying all their competition. Ok . Oh wait Microsoft doesn't fear any OS. Wait nevermind they bought a couple of Linux companies. Hmm well they allow any company to install stuff on their OS. Wait nvm they are being sued for that right now. BGR really should post a retraction as you completely slandered what Jobs said. There is no opinion on this subject. He said that Flash Mobile is crap because it isn't the same as the full fledged version. He also said that Adobe Flash Player would slow down the phone and kill battery capacity. Why would Apple produce their own Flash player? Adobe and Apple have a good relationship. I wouldn't be surprised, when the SDK is released Adobe releases a flash player specificilly for the iPhone. You people read way to much into what people on websites say. @Jeff B.
BGR named the article ‘Flash for the Birds.’

@Galvatron.
You are an idiot. Apple not a software company?
My way or the highway? So Microsoft if better? Oh wait then started buying all their competition. Ok . Oh wait Microsoft doesn’t fear any OS. Wait nevermind they bought a couple of Linux companies. Hmm well they allow any company to install stuff on their OS. Wait nvm they are being sued for that right now.

BGR really should post a retraction as you completely slandered what Jobs said. There is no opinion on this subject. He said that Flash Mobile is crap because it isn’t the same as the full fledged version. He also said that Adobe Flash Player would slow down the phone and kill battery capacity.

Why would Apple produce their own Flash player? Adobe and Apple have a good relationship. I wouldn’t be surprised, when the SDK is released Adobe releases a flash player specificilly for the iPhone.

You people read way to much into what people on websites say.

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]]> By: Jeff B. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129726 Jeff B. Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:53:36 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129726 Jobs' brain is now for the birds...suck on that Jobs, you rich asshole. Flash for the birds...what kinda bullshit's that? Jobs’ brain is now for the birds…suck on that Jobs, you rich asshole. Flash for the birds…what kinda bullshit’s that?

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]]> By: BrianC http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129663 BrianC Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129663 Typical of Apple. Arrogant is the word. Typical of Apple. Arrogant is the word.

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]]> By: NuShrike http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129545 NuShrike Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:19:46 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129545 This is one thing I can respect Jobs on. It is good to refuse to bow to fat, restricted, proprietary technology that allows lazy companies to take kitchen-sink approach to this problem space instead of technologically superior and standards compliant alternatives. What do you really need Adobe Flash for? If it's for video, why can't you have a mobile mp4 player as technology should be these days that's faster, bandwidth efficient, and can be upgraded as a component like you do with your codecs on the PC? Is it to support Flash sites? Well, why t** f*** are these sites so lazy that they can only make their site run in Adobe Flash instead of AJAX/DHTML? Netflix/Google stuff all run well without copping out to Flash. If it's for Flash ads, well, we're paying $$$ for our bandwidth so stay off our line. This is one thing I can respect Jobs on.

It is good to refuse to bow to fat, restricted, proprietary technology that allows lazy companies to take kitchen-sink approach to this problem space instead of technologically superior and standards compliant alternatives.

What do you really need Adobe Flash for? If it’s for video, why can’t you have a mobile mp4 player as technology should be these days that’s faster, bandwidth efficient, and can be upgraded as a component like you do with your codecs on the PC?

Is it to support Flash sites? Well, why t** f*** are these sites so lazy that they can only make their site run in Adobe Flash instead of AJAX/DHTML? Netflix/Google stuff all run well without copping out to Flash.

If it’s for Flash ads, well, we’re paying $$$ for our bandwidth so stay off our line.

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]]> By: james http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129521 james Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:00:20 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129521 Wow! Way to go Galvatron. I am proud of you for making sense 90 percent of that last post. Wow! Way to go Galvatron. I am proud of you for making sense 90 percent of that last post.

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]]> By: shaun http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129448 shaun Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:08:09 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129448 Maybe Apple is waiting for Silverlight :-) Maybe Apple is waiting for Silverlight :-)

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]]> By: Galvatron http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129447 Galvatron Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:07:43 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129447 This littls stunt just shows how childish jobs is. Apples flash player won't be as accepted as adobe macromedia or m$ apple is not a software company it is primarally a hardware company. Like it or not appl has to deal with an industry standerd he needs to seperate his personal grindstone form apples th 4 year metality of my way or the high way just dose no work. An safari is even proven vunerable to phishing schemes. This littls stunt just shows how childish jobs is. Apples flash player won’t be as accepted as adobe macromedia or m$ apple is not a software company it is primarally a hardware company. Like it or not appl has to deal with an industry standerd he needs to seperate his personal grindstone form apples th 4 year metality of my way or the high way just dose no work. An safari is even proven vunerable to phishing schemes.

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]]> By: jdslim http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129408 jdslim Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:43:50 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129408 Yeah I noticed that too. It's annoying but I am willing to put up with it as long as BGR has the best content. Plus when using my blackber's browser it doesn't show any words as advert links Yeah I noticed that too. It’s annoying but I am willing to put up with it as long as BGR has the best content. Plus when using my blackber’s browser it doesn’t show any words as advert links

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]]> By: Dtest5477 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129367 Dtest5477 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:17:24 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129367 QR i agree the advertising in the articles with the underlining is annoying. Hope BG is getting good $$ for it. QR i agree the advertising in the articles with the underlining is annoying. Hope BG is getting good $$ for it.

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]]> By: Striddy http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129328 Striddy Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:00:31 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129328 What do you want to bet tomorrow's announcement will be some kind of MacFlash? Jobs' slagging of Flash Player is just the prelude. What do you want to bet tomorrow’s announcement will be some kind of MacFlash? Jobs’ slagging of Flash Player is just the prelude.

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]]> By: Fara http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129319 Fara Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:51:07 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129319 I just wish that they can get the full OS X version up to snuff. If the mobile one runs as unefficient on the iphone as it does on a mac, I can definitly see where el jobso is coming from. Battery Usage would shoot through the roof and the device would get reaaaaaaally slow. I just wish that they can get the full OS X version up to snuff. If the mobile one runs as unefficient on the iphone as it does on a mac, I can definitly see where el jobso is coming from. Battery Usage would shoot through the roof and the device would get reaaaaaaally slow.

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]]> By: RoseGold http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129301 RoseGold Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:41:32 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129301 what you talking about QR? anyways jobs just wants to trash adobe so he has a reason to come up with his own crap... am stil waiting for a 3g iphone before i get one so dont matter to me... what you talking about QR?

anyways jobs just wants to trash adobe so he has a reason to come up with his own crap… am stil waiting for a 3g iphone before i get one so dont matter to me…

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]]> By: imx http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129277 imx Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:28:21 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129277 haha, great post. it's clear that jobso is just making political moves. there are slower touch screen devices out there running flash desktop player just fine (archos 605 anyone?)... haha, great post. it’s clear that jobso is just making political moves. there are slower touch screen devices out there running flash desktop player just fine (archos 605 anyone?)…

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]]> By: QR http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129262 QR Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:16:38 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129262 Gee....whats with the advertisement? Underlining every 5th word? Damn... Gee….whats with the advertisement? Underlining every 5th word?

Damn…

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]]> By: Dtest5477 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129172 Dtest5477 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:34:08 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129172 TIma how do you think the interface "mucks" it up? I think personally they don't want to use the mobile version because its limiting and the full version is too much for the processor / battery. Believe what you want but I personally haven't missed flash, plenty of other things I would love to see over that. TIma how do you think the interface “mucks” it up?
I think personally they don’t want to use the mobile version because its limiting and the full version is too much for the processor / battery. Believe what you want but I personally haven’t missed flash, plenty of other things I would love to see over that.

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]]> By: lowjak http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129170 lowjak Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:33:13 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129170 I am sure once eljobso releases the sdk there will be some developers will come up with a third party flash player just like gnash is on linux. Although a flash player that comes straight from adobe might be beter so I sope they get there act together. I am sure once eljobso releases the sdk there will be some developers will come up with a third party flash player just like gnash is on linux. Although a flash player that comes straight from adobe might be beter so I sope they get there act together.

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]]> By: TimaPhillips http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/comment-page-1/#comment-129110 TimaPhillips Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:10:10 +0000 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/05/jobs-says-adobes-mobile-flash-player-is-for-the-birds/#comment-129110 Absolutely ridiculous. And it's not the iPhone/iPod''s processor that can't handle Flash, it's the touch interface that mucks things up I'm sure. Apple probably wants to make their own "hip" flash player of their own anyway. Absolutely ridiculous. And it’s not the iPhone/iPod’’s processor that can’t handle Flash, it’s the touch interface that mucks things up I’m sure. Apple probably wants to make their own “hip” flash player of their own anyway.

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